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Rook and the NBA Moneyline

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  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    a formula i picked up many years ago at SSB ...my moneyline on the spurs game at -4 should be -163 , rook if you were to take spurs on moneyline at say -175 you wouldnt be getting a fair number ....
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    4-Dec nets -155 vs Hawks $100 to win $64.52 W -145
    5-Dec Seventysixers -315 vs Wizards ($31.75) L -345
    5-Dec Nuggets -450 vs Knicks ($22.22) W -380
    6-Dec Nets -145 vs Hornets ($68.97) W -150
    6-Dec Celtics -150 vs Nuggets ($66.67) W -160
    6-Dec Lakers -186 vs Trailblazers ($53.76) W -200
    6-Dec Heat -525 vs Wizards ($19.05) W -515
    7-Dec Mavericks -400 vs Pelicans ($25.00) W -436
    7-Dec Seventysixers -900 vs Cavaliers ($11.11) W -630
    7-Dec Pacers -225 vs Knicks ($44.44) W -220
    7-Dec Rockets -620 vs Suns ($16.13) W -750
    8-Dec Clippers -315 vs Wizards ($31.75) W -484
    8-Dec Lakers -730 vs Timberwolves ($13.70) W -560
    8-Dec Heat -295 vs Bulls ($33.90) W -265
    9-Dec Celtics -1500 vs Cavaliers ($6.67) W -1235
    9-Dec Raptors -250 vs Bulls ($40.00) W -245
    9-Dec Bucks -900 vs Magic ($11.11) W -1100
    10-Dec Seventysixers -190 vs Nuggets ($52.63) W -215
    10-Dec Heat -400 vs Hawks ($25.00) W -385
    10-Dec Trailblazers -420 vs Knicks ($23.81) W -450
    11-Dec Celtics -110 vs Pacers ($90.91) L -105
    11-Dec Lakers -375 vs Magic ($26.67) W -447
    11-Dec Rockets -850 vs Cavaliers ($11.76) W -800
    11-Dec Bulls -225 vs Hawks ($44.44) W -262
    11-Dec Suns -290 vs Grizzlies ($34.48) L -290
    11-Dec Clippers -150 vs Raptors ($66.67) W -144
    12-Dec Spurs -800 vs Cavaliers ($12.50) L -750
    13-Dec Rockets -248 vs Magic ($40.32) W -275
    13-Dec Bucks -535 vs Grizzlies. ($18.69) W -920
    13-Dec Kings -400 vs Knicks. ($25.00) L -401
    14-Dec Raptors -330 vs Nets ($30.30) W -290
    14-Dec Mavericks -350 vs Heat ($28.57) L -500
    14-Dec Rockets -295 vs Pistons ($33.90) L -345
    15-Dec Kings -165 vs Warriors ($60.61) W -205
    15-Dec Lakers -800 vs Hawks ($12.50) W -938
    15-Dec Pacers -850 vs Hornets ($11.76) W -850
    16-Dec Raptors -988 vs Cavaliers ($10.12) W -879
    16-Dec Thunder -230 vs Bulls ($43.48) W -215
    16-Dec Heat -165 vs Grizzlies ($60.61) L -150
    16-Dec Bucks -689 vs Mavericks ($14.51) L -620
    18-Dec Raptors -132 vs Pistons ($75.76) W -135
    18-Dec Seventysixers -410 vs Heat ($24.39) L -446
    18-Dec Mavericks +115 vs Celtics ($115.00) L -150
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    rook wrote: »
    4-Dec nets -155 vs Hawks $100 to win $64.52 W -145
    5-Dec Seventysixers -315 vs Wizards ($31.75) L -345
    5-Dec Nuggets -450 vs Knicks ($22.22) W -380
    6-Dec Nets -145 vs Hornets ($68.97) W -150
    6-Dec Celtics -150 vs Nuggets ($66.67) W -160
    6-Dec Lakers -186 vs Trailblazers ($53.76) W -200
    6-Dec Heat -525 vs Wizards ($19.05) W -515
    7-Dec Mavericks -400 vs Pelicans ($25.00) W -436
    7-Dec Seventysixers -900 vs Cavaliers ($11.11) W -630
    7-Dec Pacers -225 vs Knicks ($44.44) W -220
    7-Dec Rockets -620 vs Suns ($16.13) W -750
    8-Dec Clippers -315 vs Wizards ($31.75) W -484
    8-Dec Lakers -730 vs Timberwolves ($13.70) W -560
    8-Dec Heat -295 vs Bulls ($33.90) W -265
    9-Dec Celtics -1500 vs Cavaliers ($6.67) W -1235
    9-Dec Raptors -250 vs Bulls ($40.00) W -245
    9-Dec Bucks -900 vs Magic ($11.11) W -1100
    10-Dec Seventysixers -190 vs Nuggets ($52.63) W -215
    10-Dec Heat -400 vs Hawks ($25.00) W -385
    10-Dec Trailblazers -420 vs Knicks ($23.81) W -450
    11-Dec Celtics -110 vs Pacers ($90.91) L -105
    11-Dec Lakers -375 vs Magic ($26.67) W -447
    11-Dec Rockets -850 vs Cavaliers ($11.76) W -800
    11-Dec Bulls -225 vs Hawks ($44.44) W -262
    11-Dec Suns -290 vs Grizzlies ($34.48) L -290
    11-Dec Clippers -150 vs Raptors ($66.67) W -144
    12-Dec Spurs -800 vs Cavaliers ($12.50) L -750
    13-Dec Rockets -248 vs Magic ($40.32) W -275
    13-Dec Bucks -535 vs Grizzlies. ($18.69) W -920
    13-Dec Kings -400 vs Knicks. ($25.00) L -401
    14-Dec Raptors -330 vs Nets ($30.30) W -290
    14-Dec Mavericks -350 vs Heat ($28.57) L -500
    14-Dec Rockets -295 vs Pistons ($33.90) L -345
    15-Dec Kings -165 vs Warriors ($60.61) W -205
    15-Dec Lakers -800 vs Hawks ($12.50) W -938
    15-Dec Pacers -850 vs Hornets ($11.76) W -850
    16-Dec Raptors -988 vs Cavaliers ($10.12) W -879
    16-Dec Thunder -230 vs Bulls ($43.48) W -215
    16-Dec Heat -165 vs Grizzlies ($60.61) L -150
    16-Dec Bucks -689 vs Mavericks ($14.51) L -620
    18-Dec Raptors -132 vs Pistons ($75.76) W -135
    18-Dec Seventysixers -410 vs Heat ($24.39) L -446
    18-Dec Mavericks +115 vs Celtics ($115.00) L -150

    I don't know. To the naked eye, I'm not seeing any correlation between closing line and win/loss results. (Closing line is in the last column while the line I got is listed as part of the bet...)
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    It looks like I was 17-8 when the line got more expensive after my bet, and 15-3 when the line got less expensive after my bet.
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    rook wrote: »
    It looks like I was 17-8 when the line got more expensive after my bet, and 15-3 when the line got less expensive after my bet.
    OK, in two of those bets there was no line movement, so I was 16-7 when the line got more expensive...
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited December 2019
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    So, to my way of thinking, out of the 43 bets I made, 19 times the line moved in a way to reflect the actual outcome of the game that was bet on. 22 times, the line moved in the wrong direction...
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    jets96 wrote: »
    and do you guys try and figure out a reasonable est for the pointspread- moneyline relation ???

    I don’t do that, partly because I’m too stupid to even think of doing it, and partly because I’m too lazy to do it anyway. I just look at the number given and decide if I think team A bests team B enough times out of a hundred to justify that number. Last season in a game during the playoffs I bet the Bucks to beat the Pistons at something like -3300. My estimate after looking at killer sports data was that teams with the Pistons’ line won around 2 out of 100 times. So making that bet 100 times would lose 66 units for the 2 losses, and 98 units for the 98 wins, which looked like a decent bet to me...
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    everyone i send in looks good. Am thinking if you have to pay a premium on some of those lines , throw them out
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Betting money line favorites single out has become too expensive in the last few decades. Primary reasons? Bookmaker's minuscule % holds and middlers. For example, 7 point NFL favorites were priced slightly over 2-1. The 3 point favorite was a well-kept secret.
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    rook wrote: »
    So, to my way of thinking, out of the 43 bets I made, 19 times the line moved in a way to reflect the actual outcome of the game that was bet on. 22 times, the line moved in the wrong direction...

    this is indicative of a coin toss scenario but of course this is a very small sample size. to be long term successful you need to
    beat the line by more than the margin >60%ish of the time
    beat the line by something >75% of the time
    if you are not doing those two things you are just having fun and paying the juice.

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    rook wrote: »
    I don't know. To the naked eye, I'm not seeing any correlation between closing line and win/loss results. (Closing line is in the last column while the line I got is listed as part of the bet...)

    CLV winning is a long term thing in a few games like this you wont see shit.

    what you are looking for is market confirmation AKA line moves in your direction you bet -280 it moves lower
    next is enough movement to cover the margin.
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Today’s bets:
    Raptors -260 vs Wizards ($38.46)
    Celtics -450 vs Pistons ($22.22)
    Heat -550 vs Knicks ($18.18)
    Nuggets -600 vs Timberwolves ($16.67)
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Betting money line favorites single out has become too expensive in the last few decades. Primary reasons? Bookmaker's minuscule % holds and middlers. For example, 7 point NFL favorites were priced slightly over 2-1. The 3 point favorite was a well-kept secret.

    Yeah, this is most likely an ill-fated expedition I have set myself upon. And I’m not helping myself by being too loose with m picks...
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    danshan wrote: »
    this is indicative of a coin toss scenario but of course this is a very small sample size. to be long term successful you need to
    beat the line by more than the margin >60%ish of the time
    beat the line by something >75% of the time
    if you are not doing those two things you are just having fun and paying the juice.

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    CLV winning is a long term thing in a few games like this you wont see shit.

    what you are looking for is market confirmation AKA line moves in your direction you bet -280 it moves lower
    next is enough movement to cover the margin.

    OK, “market confirmation” is when I bet at -280, and the line moves to -320. Right? And how do you measure whether there is enough movement to “cover the margin”? What margin?
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    go here and enter in one game and you will see the good or bad and expected profit
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    go here ???
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    go here ???
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    I used your data and split it up to save you time
    what you should do is make a copy of this sheet and do your edits on there so you can keep track and nobody can touch it or see it
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    the ones in green are the ones where the line moved your way but not enough to cover the margin
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    danshan wrote: »
    the ones in green are the ones where the line moved your way but not enough to cover the margin

    That’s pretty cool, danshan. Thanks!
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Record 36-11 ($100 per bet)
    +$79.05 total winnings (avg winning per bet: +$79.05 / 47 = +$1.68 per bet)
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Today’s bets:
    Bulls +105 vs Pistons ($105.00)
    Bucks -1000 vs Knicks ($10.00)
    Clippers -240 vs Spurs ($41.67)
    Rockets -380 vs Suns ($26.32)
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Record 40-11 ($100 per bet)
    +$262.04 total winnings (avg winning per bet: +$262.04 / 51 = +$5.14 per bet)
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Today’s bets:
    Celtics -1150 vs Hornets ($8.70)
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Record 41-11 ($100 per bet)
    +$270.74 total winnings (avg winning per bet: +$270.74 / 52 = +$5.21 per bet)
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Today’s bets:
    Heat -195 vs Jazz ($51.28)
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    Record 42-11 ($100 per bet)
    +$332.02 total winnings (avg winning per bet: +$332.02 / 53 = +$6.27 per bet
  • rookrook Senior Member
    edited December 2019
    rook wrote: »
    Record 42-11 ($100 per bet)
    +$332.02 total winnings (avg winning per bet: +$332.02 / 53 = +$6.27 per bet

    Sorry, addition problem:

    Record 42-11 ($100 per bet)
    +$322.02 total winnings (avg winning per bet: +$322.02 / 53 = +$6.08 per bet
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