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Poster Danshan

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  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    Which do you fit into? Of course, the categories are not exclusive.

    I'm cross examining. Your turn later.
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    I'm cross examining. Your turn later.

    Well, I have my suspiciions...
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    Well, I have my suspiciions...

    You must drive a 'Dodge'. Most MoPar guys are shifty:shrr:
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    you guys quit, you are messing up the thrash me in an open forum thread, Donny go ahead I apologize for all the interuptions, LOL
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    Yes, it is really annoying when a thread goes off topic. This is a thread about danshan and he clearly qualifies as insufferable. 100% for this thread.
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    Yes, it is really annoying when a thread goes off topic. This is a thread about danshan and he clearly qualifies as insufferable. 100% for this thread.

    that is my moniker ! it frustrates guys on the streets cause they cant spell it!
  • donny2donny2 Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    Does anyone here honestly think he has a system with numbers that is legit like those other math guys when this guy doesn't even know the answers to very basic questions about closing line and other similar things? I think he just take a bunch of data there and then gets numbers out of it without even knowing if he is doing the right thing or not. Thus imagine he had to reveal to someone how he gets a certain line. Im sure anyone that is legit would just laugh off at this guy if he were to reveal his process of how he arrives at some lines. Also he keeps having SQDL plays. Well i could have those plays as well and just call it that.


    How could someone who bets wnba not know what other books to bet wnba and have to ask the forum this? You could plug in all that data but cant go to different sportsbook websites to see if they have wnba available for betting?
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    dude no one is going to come to my defense, they all hate me. I think my WNBA numbers speak for themselves not much to explain and my MLB I am glad to post them daily if you think that would help you believe, but believe what, you are not betting my lines or my picks, so who cares! I have Yankees -790 nobody gives a crap and nobody is following my plays or betting them. Everyone from the guy betting the Dodgers on Tuesdays only with a right handed pitcher to the guy who uses the shoe size in his model, they all have their own style and own way. All the lets call them educated players kinda do the same thing some better than others but basically the same thing and I for sure dont do what they do, so they cant tell you I am right or wrong nor would they really. to each his own. why do you want to prove me wrong so bad?
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    and your sportsbook for the WNBA question, I will ask and usually no one will help me but I will ask sometimes someone will know a book or a tendency of a book and that information can help me!
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    also my sdql play is very interesting and right now is getting destroyed but it wins you can check last years record if you have any doubts, its a winner but not what people like here and again nobody gives a crap, I only post it because I care and I use the funny rude comments as fuel to work harder and learn more to be better.
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    http://www.bettingtalk.com/forum/showthread.php/180443-Danshan-s-Humble-Pie-Plays?highlight=sdql+plays
    here if you missed it from last year and I am doing it again this year and here is the record

    Record
    25-13 65.7% WL (goal 67.9%)
    units +3.25
    Final for MLB, came up just short on win% but units is great! MLB back in May!
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    Can anyone tell me what adjusted win percentage is, I have been googling and searching and cant find anything definitive, can someone help me with that, thanks
  • TommyLTommyL Super Moderator
    edited May 2018
    danshan wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what adjusted win percentage is, I have been googling and searching and cant find anything definitive, can someone help me with that, thanks

    It’s adjusting your results to what your winning % would be over the same number of plays at -110 lines. For you, it would be ~56.5% (since hitting at that rate over 38 plays would give you ~3.25 units).
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    is it a specific formula, I can like put in google sheets or excel?
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    donny2 wrote: »
    Does anyone here honestly think he has a system with numbers that is legit like those other math guys when this guy doesn't even know the answers to very basic questions about closing line and other similar things? I think he just take a bunch of data there and then gets numbers out of it without even knowing if he is doing the right thing or not. Thus imagine he had to reveal to someone how he gets a certain line. Im sure anyone that is legit would just laugh off at this guy if he were to reveal his process of how he arrives at some lines. Also he keeps having SQDL plays. Well i could have those plays as well and just call it that.


    How could someone who bets wnba not know what other books to bet wnba and have to ask the forum this? You could plug in all that data but cant go to different sportsbook websites to see if they have wnba available for betting?

    Yes. He has a model and you would not have the slightest idea of how to put one together so why are you complaining. Just watch his results and see how it works out.
  • donny2donny2 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    danshan wrote: »
    also my sdql play is very interesting and right now is getting destroyed but it wins you can check last years record if you have any doubts, its a winner but not what people like here and again nobody gives a crap, I only post it because I care and I use the funny rude comments as fuel to work harder and learn more to be better.


    You are down like 20 units with your sdql plays in your baseball thread in like 50 plays or something like that. Almost all of these were huge favorites as well. Also to add to that fact, you even made a comment of you lost 13 straight sdql plays with something like thats 45 percent implied probability and even ended it with exclamation point! Who would honestly take you seriously? Thats like you are joking around with it. You mentioned that you bet 500 a game on mlb with betonline and 2000 a game at pinnacle. So you are down 50k with your sdql plays? I can't believe there is one or two posters that actually take you seriously. You are basically trolling.


    You say things like you admit you are not smart at sportsbetting. Yet someone that isn't smart has a model? You see the irony here? Thats right... you are not smart at sportsbetting and don't know much about it yet have a model that makes the best lines anyone here seen on this forum. That is why most ppl don't take you serious here. Also not surprised a few posters here think you are a troll which you sound you are like.
  • donny2donny2 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    danshan wrote: »
    why do people think I am a troll? I ask legit questions and provide my thoughts, ideas and feedback. I am the first one to admit I am dumb about sports betting. I am so hated on here for I really dont even know why because I think and question responses and ask people to prove their answers. this is the internet you can take 99.9% of the answers you get on forums and throw them in the trash for various and most of the time obvious reasons.


    You say you don't know a thing about sportsbetting yet claim to make the sharpest lines out of anyone here on the forum with their model. That's the reason. Even have the nerve to say no one comes close to making lines as sharp as you. Is that someone who is dumb about sportsbetting? Nope.
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    MY SDQL Plays are not a model, they are SDQL plays which even myself I have called them stupid. I keep a seperate record for SDQL plays and my model plays.
    MY SDQL plays are all super big favorites and that is part of the sdql setup for the plays. I dont think the sdql plays are a sign of my modeling abilities. I lost 13 straight on my model plays do you think that has anything to do with skill and if so I would be rich, I could just bet the other side its called variance and has no reflection on my modeling skills.
    MODEL PLAYS
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    6/21
    Mariners

    170
    180
    0.56
    L





    1.32%


    6/21
    Cardinals

    104
    115
    0.87
    L





    2.51%


    6/22
    Nationals

    -162
    -134
    1.34
    L





    4.57%


    6/22
    Mets

    133
    137
    0.73
    L





    0.72%


    6/23
    Tigers

    221
    236
    0.42
    L





    1.39%


    6/23
    Royals

    292
    288
    0.35
    L





    -0.26%


    6/24
    Rangers

    151
    170
    0.59
    L





    2.80%


    6/25
    Nationals

    104
    106
    0.94
    L





    0.48%


    6/25
    Padres

    118
    144
    0.69
    L





    4.89%


    6/26
    Phillies

    165
    194
    0.52
    L





    3.72%


    6/26
    Rockies

    135
    119
    0.84
    L





    -3.11%


    6/26
    Yankees

    -180
    -215
    2.15
    W





    -3.97%


    6/27
    Braves

    -120
    -130
    1.30
    L





    -1.98%


    6/28
    Phillies

    -119
    -116
    1.16
    W





    0.63%


    6/29
    Royals

    190
    194
    0.52
    L





    0.47%


    6/29
    Royals

    -111
    -101
    1.01
    L

    OV8



    2.36%


    6/30
    Reds

    102
    100
    1.00
    L

    U9.5



    -0.50%


    6/30
    Phillies

    -101
    -103
    1.03
    W





    -0.49%


    6/30
    Yankees

    137
    129
    0.78
    L





    -1.47%


    6/30
    Rangers

    -123
    -118
    1.18
    W





    1.03%


    6/30
    Rangers

    100
    105
    0.95
    L

    U10



    1.22%

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    these numbers fo CLV and line value show you I am not lucky and I have zero market influence so there is no CLV manipulation by my plays. My MLB model is doing very well line value wise and my WNBA model is doing even better line value wise. I think I have a very small sample size to be making any claims to greatness or failure model wise but I am off to a good start for sure!

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    and these are my model plays since the losing streak started, losing streaks happen and it dont make me good or bad but the CLV shows me that I am on to something now if that something can be sustainable or is enough we dont have enough data to know that yet!
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    oh and hey Donny thanks for chatting with me! You seem to be alone in the chatting with me on this forum.
  • donny2donny2 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    If these sdql plays are not a model and are your plays, then why do you call them stupid? So you are posting stupid plays on the forum? What is the purpose of that then? How about your sdql plays are basically just you taking big favorite everyday. Anyone could do that. Just take a big favorite and call it Sdql play. Why are you even calling it sdql then? You might as well call it big favorite play etc.


    Those numbers show you have zero market influence. You really think that? For someone who calls themselves dumb at this... you really think someone like you have any market influence? You honestly to me look like someone who is gathering data and the posting numbers where you are doing it wrong. Such as you get data and apply it incorrectly. You know what would be interesting? If you showed how your model worked for your plays to someone and i bet after they look at it, they would probably wonder what in the world are you doing. You are most likely doing it wrong. Why am i making this assumption? Because you say you don't know a thing about this. Let see... a poster who said many times they dont know much about this and they post lines up. You might as well call yourself average joe and post your plays and call themselves these are my plays and use a smart word like model plays etc. Now obviously you are not throwing darts out there and calling them model plays. But you are probably getting lot of data and then applying it wrong. Also why do you even have a thread for CFL. You probably never watched a cfl game before.
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    You refer to your SDQL plays as being "stupid" but didn't you say that you play 10 times as much on your SDQL plays as on your model plays?
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    maybe you dont understand what an sdql play is but an sdql is a language that is used to gather sports history data and see how that data performs. here is an sdql example of something so you can get an idea of what an sdql play looks like (this is not my sdql) this is just a funny one lots of people clam everyday means something and to me it means nothing. SDQL is very good for debunking common betting patterns. here is a common betting pattern many people follow and as you can see by the result it has no value.
    http://sportsdatabase.com/mlb/query?output=default&su=1&ou=1&sdql=p%3AL+and+pp%3AL+and+ppp%3AL+and+pppp%3AL+and+ppppp%3AL&submit=++S+D+Q+L+%21++

    this sdql means a team has lost their last 5 games and a nerf bettor would bet the team is going to win because they are due or lose because they suck but in reality it does not mean anything, they win and lose just as if they won their last 5 as you see with this sdql

    http://sportsdatabase.com/mlb/query?output=default&su=1&ou=1&sdql=p%3AW+and+pp%3AW+and+ppp%3AW+and+pppp%3AW+and+ppppp%3AW&submit=++S+D+Q+L+%21++
    these stats mean nothing to who will win or lose
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    You refer to your SDQL plays as being "stupid" but didn't you say that you play 10 times as much on your SDQL plays as on your model plays?
    I call my SDQl stupid because it has no line value but it has over its history shown a consistent winning ROI here are the results of my sdql over last couple thousand plays. I use for sdql what I call a reverse way of thinking about it I try and find the things that would scare away most big fave bettors.
    example say the Yankees are -205 well most nerfs would jump on them and say they will win but wait, they have a stink effect to them because say they lost the last few games and maybe got shut out or some other nerf stats that would scare the nerf better and in turn this makes some nerfs scared to bet it and essentially could mean there is value in it because its a big favorite that LESS money is pouring in because of some stinker stats. I call it stupid because it has zero value not because it is dumb. I do bet nearly triple my model stakes on it because it has a small margin and only way to make money is to bet big on the sdql play


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    [TH="align: center"]SU:[/TH]
    1257-604 (1.52, 67.5%)
    avg line: -186.5 / 169.5
    on / against: +$15,101 / -$24,666
    ROI: +4.4% / -13.3%


    </tbody>

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    you can see this is a true effect when you look at Kluber for example
    you can see Klubers career avg line is -168 after the Indians won the last game(not Kluber) and he has a -142 avg line when they have lost their last games, do you think Kluber is any worse after the Indians won or lost their last games? You can see this same trend with other Aces as well.
  • donny2donny2 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    So how much are you betting a game on your sdql plays vs your model plays then? Earlier you mentioned you bet 500 at betonline and 2000 at pinnacle. So you are down 20 units or so and down 50k since your average unit is 2500 then on your sdql plays? But now someone say you bet 10x more on your sdql plays?


    You are giving everyone a definition of what sdql means like people here is clueless when most aren't. Yet you ask questions about what does so and so mean where anyone who knows sdql would understand. That's the issue here.


    You think thats a funny sdql one that doesn't work and to you means nothing. So why would anyone think much about your sdql then? So you think your sdql is better than that one? And this is from someone like you who claims they are dumb about all of this? So why would you even have an ounce of respect of credibility in something like that? An average joe could just say sdql plays and say these plays are from lot of data.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    danshan wrote: »
    maybe you dont understand what an sdql play is but an sdql is a language that is used to gather sports history data and see how that data performs. here is an sdql example of something so you can get an idea of what an sdql play looks like (this is not my sdql) this is just a funny one lots of people clam everyday means something and to me it means nothing. SDQL is very good for debunking common betting patterns. here is a common betting pattern many people follow and as you can see by the result it has no value.
    http://sportsdatabase.com/mlb/query?output=default&su=1&ou=1&sdql=p%3AL+and+pp%3AL+and+ppp%3AL+and+pppp%3AL+and+ppppp%3AL&submit=++S+D+Q+L+%21++

    this sdql means a team has lost their last 5 games and a nerf bettor would bet the team is going to win because they are due or lose because they suck but in reality it does not mean anything, they win and lose just as if they won their last 5 as you see with this sdql

    http://sportsdatabase.com/mlb/query?output=default&su=1&ou=1&sdql=p%3AW+and+pp%3AW+and+ppp%3AW+and+pppp%3AW+and+ppppp%3AW&submit=++S+D+Q+L+%21++
    these stats mean nothing to who will win or lose

    As I said before it's 90% useless but there's a sight value to it but to play a game based on a SDQL trend is not good. Trying to be nice. Trends don't pay the rent numbers it's all about the numbers.
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    Donny look at these lines for tomorrows MLB games and you tell me if they are just some thrown together garbage of stats?
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    7/2
    Kyle Freeland
    Rockies
    120


    7/2
    Robbie Ray
    Diamondbacks
    -131


    7/2
    Jakob Junis
    Royals
    223


    7/2
    Max Scherzer
    Nationals
    -196


    7/2
    Domingo German
    Yankees
    -172


    7/2
    Luis Castillo
    Reds
    -160


    7/2
    Brent Suter
    Brewers
    -118

    </tbody>

    of course now I know this is only baseline and will have adjustments and that is part of the reason I dont mess with openers anymore. I hope some of this is informative and can help us win!

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    OT no need to be nice now! I believe in my sdql and have tried to rationalize it here without giving it away if you dont agree with what I am saying about my methodology great but it would be helpful to all if you could say where you think my idea is wrong. I do believe more in setting lines more than I do the sdql for sure and the only reason I am pushing big bets on the sdql is because the margin is so so small

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    Old-Timer wrote: »
    As I said before it's 90% useless but there's a sight value to it but to play a game based on a SDQL trend is not good. Trying to be nice. Trends don't pay the rent numbers it's all about the numbers.
    what do you think of the Kluber idea?
  • donny2donny2 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    So these are the lines your model came up with then?


    The fact that you think your model is so good because your line is close to the actual lines... in case you don't know. The line you have and the lines that are posted should never be that far off besides maybe 1 or 2 games.


    Also some of your comments in your thread are like why is this line this much off from your line and then you asking if anyone could tell you why. Umm... so you think you are the best line maker in the world or something? Like your line is what is correct and not the oddsmakers?
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    donny2 wrote: »
    So how much are you betting a game on your sdql plays vs your model plays then? Earlier you mentioned you bet 500 at betonline and 2000 at pinnacle. So you are down 20 units or so and down 50k since your average unit is 2500 then on your sdql plays? But now someone say you bet 10x more on your sdql plays?


    You are giving everyone a definition of what sdql means like people here is clueless when most aren't. Yet you ask questions about what does so and so mean where anyone who knows sdql would understand. That's the issue here.


    You think thats a funny sdql one that doesn't work and to you means nothing. So why would anyone think much about your sdql then? So you think your sdql is better than that one? And this is from someone like you who claims they are dumb about all of this? So why would you even have an ounce of respect of credibility in something like that? An average joe could just say sdql plays and say these plays are from lot of data.

    I am down 6 figures on SDQL right now but that mostly will come back its at 56% or so and even a nerf will hit the implied probability of 65% more or less with enough plays!
    I 100% believe my sdql works and still do. Donny if I could hit 65% implieds at 55% I would be rich and we all could stop capping and just bet the other side.
    I was not implying anyone was clueless, I said I did not think YOU understood clearly what an sdql play was. Believe me there is not one single person here who A believes in my sdql B would bet it besides me. I post sdql because I believe in it and that is that, there is no further discussion with anyone on it because they dont like it or care about it. With that said my model plays are now becoming solid and I think even OT would agree with that at the minimum I am starting to head in the right direction with the model plays!
  • donny2donny2 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    You have nothing to give away with your sdql plays. Its basically a bunch of data you have that is used incorrectly or probably not even relevant. Look at OT... he even says 90 percent useless to bet plays on that sdqp and he is someone that knows what he is talking about based on his posts.

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    So let see. You have at least a 500k bankroll for sportsbetting then if you are down 6 figures from your sdql? You see this does not add up. No one who is down that much with your sdql plays would post the way you do after that record with sdql plays.


    You would be rich? Aren't you already rich if you are down 6 figures on SDQL and this doesn't even seem to affect you and your posting like its nothing with exclamation point? I know what an sdql play is. Its funny that someone that doesn't know a lot of terms that most ppl here on this forum know would have a so called sophisticated model and sdql play. Im surprised anyone even responds back seriously to you.
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    donny2 wrote: »
    You have nothing to give away with your sdql plays. Its basically a bunch of data you have that is used incorrectly or probably not even relevant. Look at OT... he even says 90 percent useless to bet plays on that sdqp and he is someone that knows what he is talking about based on his posts.

    OT said that SDQL plays are 90% garbage and that is a nice way of saying anyone playing sdql's was in the pool too long with weights on and when you think from a person who sets lines POV it is 100% garbage but I have and will continue to argue it could have some value if your plays are not typical SDQL plays, most typical sdql plays are dumb things like long streaks after a day game played on tuesdays or some useless garbage. Those SDQL plays are 90% of the sdql methods out there and they do 100% suck
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