The Trump win was more a Clinton loss. It was the lesser of two evils. This country has gone to hell in a hand basket as the saying goes so maybe a learn as we go guy will do better. Talk about eating crow man she's got a barrel full and it couldn't happen to a nicer person. A lot of sleepless nights in america last night. Lets give him a chance there's nothing else we can do. I voted Trump and proud of it. I don't think he ever thought he had a chance to win and to do and say the things he did but the people ate it up but he stood true to who he is and his agenda. but he it will tone down I believe. Now this is a real change. Good Luck I think he's going to do fine.
There's a lot of unhappy people in Washington and I say Fuck'em.
This country has gone to hell in a hand basket as the saying goes so maybe a learn as we go guy will do better.
That's an area where we definitely disagree. While I agree that certain aspects of our country have declined, on a whole, I don't think that the country has ever been in a better place.
The Trump win was more a Clinton loss. It was the lesser of two evils. This country has gone to hell in a hand basket as the saying goes so maybe a learn as we go guy will do better. Talk about eating crow man she's got a barrel full and it couldn't happen to a nicer person. A lot of sleepless nights in america last night. Lets give him a chance there's nothing else we can do. I voted Trump and proud of it. I don't think he ever thought he had a chance to win and to do and say the things he did but the people ate it up but he stood true to who he is and his agenda. but he it will tone down I believe. Now this is a real change. Good Luck I think he's going to do fine.
There's a lot of unhappy people in Washington and I say Fuck'em.
I fail to see how the Obama era has been as bad as some of you tell it. Compared to where we were 8 years ago, I think this country is in a much more stable place.
Trump was +699 at CRIS around 730pm...was thinking about it until some CNN fool at Trump headquarters reported that a campaign bigwig told him 'we need a miracle.'
Trump was +699 at CRIS around 730pm...was thinking about it until some CNN fool at Trump headquarters reported that a campaign bigwig told him 'we need a miracle.'
thanks..more curious as to the state by states especially WI/MI/PA..know Johnson was a dog in Wisconsin in the senate just unsure how high
PA was Clinton -600 during the day and Michigan was a little less than that...Wisconsin I don't recall seeing simply because I did not believe it was in play...:surprised:
Now that the voting's over---- has anybody seen odds on an assassination attempt? Because this country's looking more and more like a banana republic every day.
Now that the voting's over---- has anybody seen odds on an assassination attempt? Because this country's looking more and more like a banana republic every day.
It's funny you bring that up. After his speech about 3AM when he was walking through the front row of his supporters to exit the building that was the first thing I thought of. Someone is going to shoot this guy. He was right up close with only 1 secret service guy visible on each side.
I fail to see how the Obama era has been as bad as some of you tell it. Compared to where we were 8 years ago, I think this country is in a much more stable place.
Can you please elaborate on how he accomplished what your saying maybe it's me I don't see it. Please start with Obama care. He will go down as the worst president ever or at the very least one of the worst. 8 years of BS.
Funny Story about ol Hillary. Back in 2012 my step father worked a lot of private security for Hillary's campaign. As the results came in one of her personal security guys radios my Dad and tells him to please send one of his guys to get an itemized breakdown of the room contents. My Dad said sure, and that he'd bring it on up. He got to her room about 1am to find the entire room trashed. Every piece of glass on both coffee tables shattered, bed torn apart, room completely trashed.
I cant even imagine what it would've been like last night.
Can you please elaborate on how he accomplished what your saying maybe it's me I don't see it. Please start with Obama care. He will go down as the worst president ever or at the very least one of the worst. 8 years of BS.
Beyond any political opinions, I just feel like Obama is a great representative of America on the global stage. He's charismatic, well-spoken, honest, genuine, etc. It's something that I just didn't see in either of the candidates this year unfortunately.
Can you please elaborate on how he accomplished what your saying maybe it's me I don't see it. Please start with Obama care. He will go down as the worst president ever or at the very least one of the worst. 8 years of BS.
Obumacare is just one of many. In FL, there are over 40 counties that have only one carrier on the marketplace. Why, because the loss ratios are so high. Who couldn't see allowing preexisting conditions and other perks wouldn't lead to massive losses? Why would any insurer bother trying to write that block of business. This year the increases in FL are capped at 19%. Amazing that anyone sees that as success. Having the IRS enforce the penalties is just the icing on the cake.
Can you please elaborate on how he accomplished what your saying maybe it's me I don't see it. Please start with Obama care. He will go down as the worst president ever or at the very least one of the worst. 8 years of BS.
1.Obamacare lowered overall health care costs. We had some of the worst health care quality anywhere in the world. Those with pre-existing conditions could now get coverage. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But lets not pretend the current form of Obamacare is the one he wanted passed. The republicans tore at the plan and its a shell of what is was supposed to be. Repubs control Congress now so lets see what they can do about it.
2.Need I remind you of the recession that was taking place when he took office? Gas prices, real estate, auto industry? Created the lowest interest rates in US history, at least since the slavery days. That allowed the housing market to recover.
3.He pulled troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan as well and killed Osama Bin Laden. Something Bush failed to do for 7 years. Also negotiated nuclear agreement with Iran.
4.Negotiated TPP which I believe is the largest trade agreement in the world.
5.Created over 8 million jobs since he's took office. In fact it was even more than that because the recession was still taking place when he took over and companies were still reluctant to hire new workers.
6.Set into effect plans that positively affected climate change.
So yeah he might not be the GOAT president, but he is far from the worst. America will look back at his term fondly for the progressiveness and growth it endured. He never had any personal scandals. He represented America in a positive way. Many of you may not remember how bad it was when he took office, how vulnerable the country was. I think he will go down in history as an iconic president, one who took America into a new era.
My other silver lining on Trump...Maybe it'll mean good things towards the future of legalized gambling. He won't get anything done with a Republican congress and senate, but if the Dems see big gains in the mid-terms, maybe it will mean a step forward for us in 2 years.
In addition to the Republicans, it seems like marijuana also had a really good night.
The map for 2018 senate is VERY favorable for republicans. Unless Trump is a total disaster, definitely possible, the republicans will see gains in 2018.
1.Obamacare lowered overall health care costs. We had some of the worst health care quality anywhere in the world. Those with pre-existing conditions could now get coverage. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But lets not pretend the current form of Obamacare is the one he wanted passed. The republicans tore at the plan and its a shell of what is was supposed to be. Repubs control Congress now so lets see what they can do about it.
This^^^ All the Obamacare detractors need to understand one thing, affordable health care for all is something needed in this country. START with that premise and figure out how to make it happen and if doing so steps on the toes of big pharma or for profit HMO's then so be it.
It's pointless to discuss politics, no one will ever change how they feel and it only leads to arguments. The only comment I'll make is, I genuinely fear for our country under Trump, I could have lived with Kasich, Rubio, Cruz, even Jeb, but I worry what this country will look like in 4 years, and I'm not being hyperbolic, my worry is sincere, I hope I'm proven wrong however and Trump succeeds. Also, let's not forget that more people voted against him than for him, Hillary won the popular vote, and while that didn't win her the WH, it tells you where we are politically in this country when a majority of people didn't vote for the winning side
Lets give the guy a chance there's some fence mending to do and lets see where he goes. Yes even the President needs support to get things done. He'll see it's a new world he's entered. Regardless of the fact he was left money he did something that's very hard to do and that's go broke and rich again a few times over and regardless of how he did it it was legal and beat a politician at her own game. He's not a stupid man loud yes stupid no.
The protesters are ridiculous. People teach children that sometimes you can't get what you want in life and then they do this. Did you really want Hillary Clinton and what exactly was her agenda besides wearing red/white and blue suits to the three debates and bashing Trump. Trump didn't win Hillary lost. She lost in places that were suppose to be a slam dunk.
Give the guy a chance he's far from a stupid man and he's not going to throw out all illegals and wipe the middle east off the face of the earth. Lets see what happens. Who know's I think he's smart enough to mend fences get support and do good. It will take time. Time will tell. May I ask what exactly are you afraid of. I think this proves what I've been saying all along this country is not and far from the one I grew up in. They voted in a man who has never held an elective office to be President that say's something to me.
kane your right no sense talking about it nobody will change there mind.
Well put shift boss! Can you imagine the mentality of this country when an individual was/is afraid to state his voting preference? Yes, the silent majority answered their call.
Well put shift boss! Can you imagine the mentality of this country when an individual was/is afraid to state his voting preference? Yes, the silent majority answered their call.
The Dems did not turn out. Trump got 2 million less votes than McCain or Romney. Lets face it, Clinton was a horrible candidate.
The Dems did not turn out. Trump got 2 million less votes than McCain or Romney. Lets face it, Clinton was a horrible candidate.
Hard to believe the Dems have such a short bench. She needed a good primary challenger. Bernie is a self-described socialist and gave her an incredible fight. The republican primary had 17 candidates, all of whom would wipe the floor with Hillary.
Hard to believe the Dems have such a short bench. She needed a good primary challenger. Bernie is a self-described socialist and gave her an incredible fight. The republican primary had 17 candidates, all of whom would wipe the floor with Hillary.
I'm surprised Biden didn't get a shot. He would have easily defeated Trump imo
Obamacare is unaffordable for a lot of Americans. Middle aged couple making 80 to 90k per year who do not have health care with their job or are self employed pay 1,500 to 2,000 per monthfor it. The break where tax credits start helping is when AGI is around 55k or less.
Obamacare is unaffordable for a lot of Americans. Middle aged couple making 80 to 90k per year who do not have health care with their job or are self employed pay 1,500 to 2,000 per monthfor it. The break where tax credits start helping is when AGI is around 55k or less.
False.
In 2017, the federal subsidies on the Exchange disappear based on how many children the couple has <26.
Lets say you have no kids in your example so you have no subsidy. And you purchase a 'silver plan', which is the most common plan, the one they give you fully subsidized for free if you are poor. The average cost is $282 per month for the insurance. If you used the policy alot there would be co-pays and deductibles, and the maximum additional out of pocket you could pay, by law for both combined is $14,300. So if you got very sick you could pay nearly $1500 per month. If you only used it for preventative care you would pay $300 per month. These numbers go down if you are less than 400% of the federal poverty level (which is shown in numbers above).
I'd recommend going here to calculate it for your own situation. info: http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/ . More importantly turn off Breitbart and Fox, they are trying to trick you. When betting consider data, not anecdote.
Without the ACA the couple you are talking about would likely be paying much more and would be paying nothing at all if one of them were already sick.
Had you seen the polls leading up to yesterday in Michigan? Mitchell gave Hillary a 37 point lead, Monmouth 13, YouGov 11, Marist 17, etc. Was there anyone (outside of the Sanders camp of course) that was calling for a Sanders win in Michigan? I'm honestly interested in hearing if others were more bullish on Sanders' chances. Or is this like an instance where you'll say that a college hoops pundit was a fraud if they didn't see Austin Peay winning the OVC tourney?
when the polls were this wrong in march, how could they continue to be trusted for the next 8 months? were they they dishonest or incompetent? these polls are conducted by 3 or 4 18 yr old girls in boiler rooms. methodology used is very weak. I phoned quinnipac poll director and she got nervous when I asked her methodology. My internall polls said something much different. with wapo and nyt being hitmen u need to wonder if the polls were also on take. on a sidenote Im voting tulsi gabbard 2020, I need Obama care. hopefully gov brown single payer works well.
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That's an area where we definitely disagree. While I agree that certain aspects of our country have declined, on a whole, I don't think that the country has ever been in a better place.
I fail to see how the Obama era has been as bad as some of you tell it. Compared to where we were 8 years ago, I think this country is in a much more stable place.
thanks..more curious as to the state by states especially WI/MI/PA..know Johnson was a dog in Wisconsin in the senate just unsure how high
It's funny you bring that up. After his speech about 3AM when he was walking through the front row of his supporters to exit the building that was the first thing I thought of. Someone is going to shoot this guy. He was right up close with only 1 secret service guy visible on each side.
Can you please elaborate on how he accomplished what your saying maybe it's me I don't see it. Please start with Obama care. He will go down as the worst president ever or at the very least one of the worst. 8 years of BS.
I cant even imagine what it would've been like last night.
Beyond any political opinions, I just feel like Obama is a great representative of America on the global stage. He's charismatic, well-spoken, honest, genuine, etc. It's something that I just didn't see in either of the candidates this year unfortunately.
Obumacare is just one of many. In FL, there are over 40 counties that have only one carrier on the marketplace. Why, because the loss ratios are so high. Who couldn't see allowing preexisting conditions and other perks wouldn't lead to massive losses? Why would any insurer bother trying to write that block of business. This year the increases in FL are capped at 19%. Amazing that anyone sees that as success. Having the IRS enforce the penalties is just the icing on the cake.
1.Obamacare lowered overall health care costs. We had some of the worst health care quality anywhere in the world. Those with pre-existing conditions could now get coverage. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But lets not pretend the current form of Obamacare is the one he wanted passed. The republicans tore at the plan and its a shell of what is was supposed to be. Repubs control Congress now so lets see what they can do about it.
2.Need I remind you of the recession that was taking place when he took office? Gas prices, real estate, auto industry? Created the lowest interest rates in US history, at least since the slavery days. That allowed the housing market to recover.
3.He pulled troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan as well and killed Osama Bin Laden. Something Bush failed to do for 7 years. Also negotiated nuclear agreement with Iran.
4.Negotiated TPP which I believe is the largest trade agreement in the world.
5.Created over 8 million jobs since he's took office. In fact it was even more than that because the recession was still taking place when he took over and companies were still reluctant to hire new workers.
6.Set into effect plans that positively affected climate change.
So yeah he might not be the GOAT president, but he is far from the worst. America will look back at his term fondly for the progressiveness and growth it endured. He never had any personal scandals. He represented America in a positive way. Many of you may not remember how bad it was when he took office, how vulnerable the country was. I think he will go down in history as an iconic president, one who took America into a new era.
The map for 2018 senate is VERY favorable for republicans. Unless Trump is a total disaster, definitely possible, the republicans will see gains in 2018.
This^^^ All the Obamacare detractors need to understand one thing, affordable health care for all is something needed in this country. START with that premise and figure out how to make it happen and if doing so steps on the toes of big pharma or for profit HMO's then so be it.
The protesters are ridiculous. People teach children that sometimes you can't get what you want in life and then they do this. Did you really want Hillary Clinton and what exactly was her agenda besides wearing red/white and blue suits to the three debates and bashing Trump. Trump didn't win Hillary lost. She lost in places that were suppose to be a slam dunk.
Give the guy a chance he's far from a stupid man and he's not going to throw out all illegals and wipe the middle east off the face of the earth. Lets see what happens. Who know's I think he's smart enough to mend fences get support and do good. It will take time. Time will tell. May I ask what exactly are you afraid of. I think this proves what I've been saying all along this country is not and far from the one I grew up in. They voted in a man who has never held an elective office to be President that say's something to me.
kane your right no sense talking about it nobody will change there mind.
The Dems did not turn out. Trump got 2 million less votes than McCain or Romney. Lets face it, Clinton was a horrible candidate.
In a graph:
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Hard to believe the Dems have such a short bench. She needed a good primary challenger. Bernie is a self-described socialist and gave her an incredible fight. The republican primary had 17 candidates, all of whom would wipe the floor with Hillary.
I'm surprised Biden didn't get a shot. He would have easily defeated Trump imo
False.
In 2017, the federal subsidies on the Exchange disappear based on how many children the couple has <26.
0 kids: $64,100
1 kid: $84,650
2 kids: $97,200
3 kids: $113,800
4 kids: $130,300
Lets say you have no kids in your example so you have no subsidy. And you purchase a 'silver plan', which is the most common plan, the one they give you fully subsidized for free if you are poor. The average cost is $282 per month for the insurance. If you used the policy alot there would be co-pays and deductibles, and the maximum additional out of pocket you could pay, by law for both combined is $14,300. So if you got very sick you could pay nearly $1500 per month. If you only used it for preventative care you would pay $300 per month. These numbers go down if you are less than 400% of the federal poverty level (which is shown in numbers above).
I'd recommend going here to calculate it for your own situation. info: http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/ . More importantly turn off Breitbart and Fox, they are trying to trick you. When betting consider data, not anecdote.
Without the ACA the couple you are talking about would likely be paying much more and would be paying nothing at all if one of them were already sick.
America's problem is the Pharma lobby
(and the gun lobby, the environmental lobby, the financial lobby and the sugar lobby.)
None of these lobby's are going to have ANY opposition from the Trump administration. And that should worry you.
when the polls were this wrong in march, how could they continue to be trusted for the next 8 months? were they they dishonest or incompetent? these polls are conducted by 3 or 4 18 yr old girls in boiler rooms. methodology used is very weak. I phoned quinnipac poll director and she got nervous when I asked her methodology. My internall polls said something much different. with wapo and nyt being hitmen u need to wonder if the polls were also on take. on a sidenote Im voting tulsi gabbard 2020, I need Obama care. hopefully gov brown single payer works well.