Why not Field +500 over Joe Johnny Football
homerplayer
Senior Member
to win the Hesiman?
really my only two reasons are ~84% probability according to no vig line and
how many stubborn, old school guys vote? first freshman ever, really? But we have had defensive winners in the past.
thoughts?
really my only two reasons are ~84% probability according to no vig line and
how many stubborn, old school guys vote? first freshman ever, really? But we have had defensive winners in the past.
thoughts?
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Ive seen this come down to +380 at my offshore
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Very low chance of winning?
How many times does the best player actually win, as opposed to the best player on the best team. Guys have been cheated before, no?
I think there is a very good chance that he wins it, but I don't see how anyone is laying -1050 with everything that we know right now.
2004 AP loses despite putting up 1,800 yards (Bush wins next year with less impressive stats), but Lienart wins national championship and heisman with pedestrian stats, less than 3K yards and 26 TDs
2005 Troy Smith (career back-up) over McFadden
I could make a case for Gerhart losing to Ingram, but at least that was razor thin.
At least he has the history of being a QB on his side.
750/450 now at 5D
-570 at Heritage
Zwerneman has been a Heisman voter since 1995. The San Antonio Express News and Houston Chronicle writer doesn't think the fact Manziel is a freshman should hurt his chances at taking the trophy.
"His numbers are so overwhelming and so much better than anyone else's that I think even the old school guys are now seeing that they can't ignore this freshman from Kerrville, Texas," said Zwerneman.
Full article here
Skippy Bayless article
You can't convince me Johnny Manziel deserves the Heisman over Manti Te'o any more than I'll probably be able to convince you that, right now, Johnny Football's team could beat Notre Dame, Alabama or Georgia.
But both statements are all too true and precisely what's wrong with college football. Heismans shouldn't be won by a quarterback with an all-time great nickname whose beyond-Cam Newton pass/run stats camouflage two bad second halves in Texas A&M's two biggest home games, both losses.
A&M led Florida 17-7 midway through the second quarter -- and didn't score another point. From that point on, Manziel threw for only 80 more yards and ran for only 20 more. Florida pretty much shut him down. Florida won, 20-17.
Then A&M led LSU 12-0 late in the first half. From that point on, Manziel threw three interceptions while rushing for only four yards and scoring no touchdowns. LSU made Johnny Football look more like Johnny Rotten. LSU won, 24-19.
Sorry, not Heisman good enough.
Win 12/8/12 8:00pm Props Football 18801 Johnny Manziel wins Heisman Trophy -1750* vs Field wins Heisman Trophy
Win 12/9/12 1:00pm Props Football 25401 Baltimore Ravens win AFC North -300* vs Field wins AFC North
Win 12/9/12 1:00pm Props Football 25801 Green Bay Packers win NFC North -200* vs Field wins NFC North
Win 12/9/12 1:00pm Props Football 26001 San Francisco 49ers win NFC West -450* vs Field wins NFC West
Boom. Now lets go in this 2nd H here johnny boy
about 1.5 by my calculation.