I don't know, I tailed Sharp last year and did fine...
I get responses like these all the time and they make no sense to me. I link people to countless examples of tout chicanery and then someone chimes in "I love how you expose all these frauds but you're wrong about [tout], I followed him [over some limited sample of picks] and did very well! A single NFL season tells you very little about someone's competency. Any idiot can get lucky over a small sample and many a fraud tout career was built that way. Conversely winners can and will have small samples where they do poorly.
Teddy Covers and Fezzik are two high profile touts who've been tracked for a long time by ComptrBob, the most respected record tracker on forums, and both have lost their ass over the large sample of picks where he tracked them, yet countless people still sing their praises because they got lucky following one of them over a small sample of picks.
Your answers are nowhere near thorough enough.
Could you provide additional citations and logical thought processes so that I and others may make the most informed decision possible?
LOL. PGF's criminal history is actually pretty easy to find online, this is one of my favorites:
I find it hilarious that despite the obsessive compulsive attention to detail I spend tracking evidence against these idiots, there are still countless people who vouch for these guys or call me a troll, etc. The scumbag who currently runs the South Point sportsbook, Chris Andrews, was on the radio last week ranting about how I'm a troll because I've exposed him (he's a failed tout) and countless tout buddies of his. It doesn't matter how much evidence you throw at these guys, they'll still deflect. Andrews claims to be a "legendary oddsmaker" yet recently couldn't even answer someone's question about how much a CBB side half point is worth. Imagine claiming 30+ years of "oddsmaking experience" yet being unable to even give a ballpark figure for such a novice question. ]
Greetings all. I will probably regret my 10+ year run on not posting on forums but let's see what happens.... 1. Not once did I ever " vouch " for Philly Godfather ANYWHERE.... I did give a few interviews with Warren Sharp about WARREN SHARPS NFL TOTALS though. I don't understand why people constantly try to put words in people's mouthes without facts. I do know the guy behind that site was running one of the sharpest moving offices in the USA a decade ago though so I would think he wins but don't know for a fact.
2. Warren is a winner and has very positive EV at the end of the season. I have had a few discussions with him about giving out a number that is attainable for the public. Not just one line that he's sees betable on the screen. He has really improved on this the last two seasons.
3. The problem with Internet forums is you have a lot of guys that have very little to do in life except troll on forums, take shots at people and hide behind the safety of their computers using fake names because of there own insecurities and financial ruin because let's face it most do not win betting sports.
4. If I can give a little advice I will. Having the apps in town are very important and A must have to beat this game. As long as you bet $500 or less you will be fine. It's when you start betting dimes that you get yourself limited or banned altogether for winning. I found that going under radar and not cashing out till end of season will get you some longevity in most spots. Will Hill is a exception though. They will throw you out if you win NO MATTER WHAT. Lol.
5. I really can't help myself. I love to help the general public sharpen up their skills against these sports books. Sharp guys in the industry (there's a few on this forum ) will get upset at me for helping and giving out info like the value of numbers , skill sets and bankroll mgmt.
Ohh I forgot. Thank you to the poster who emailed me and asked me to please post here. To be honest I don't know how long I'll last I have very thin skin. Lol.
Bill (Krackman) Krackomberger. My own name and you can google me and run in to me almost everyday at Casinos around town except the ones I'm banned from playing for winning. Will Hill, Stations and Treasure Island. Always happy to give advice and strategies.
3. The problem with Internet forums is you have a lot of guys that have very little to do in life except troll on forums, take shots at people and hide behind the safety of their computers using fake names because of there own insecurities and financial ruin because let's face it most do not win betting sports.
I guess we have different ideas of what "winning betting sports" means, but you'll find most people here don't define it as
1) booking people and stiffing them for their winnings, threatening them with mobster enforcers when needed
2) manipulating compromised Pinnacle accounts with the Jafars of the world
Greetings all. I will probably regret my 10+ year run on not posting on forums but let's see what happens.... 1. Not once did I ever " vouch " for Philly Godfather ANYWHERE....
You've appeared on his show numerous times. Spare us all the excuses for that one.
I don't understand why people constantly try to put words in people's mouthes without facts.
Says the guy who calls factually based criticism to be "anonymous trolling."
2. Warren is a winner and has very positive EV at the end of the season.
We'll add this endorsement to his claim of picking 59% over 2000+ football picks. All the winners tease NFL totals, among other things he does.
I have had a few discussions with him about giving out a number that is attainable for the public. Not just one line that he's sees betable on the screen. He has really improved on this the last two seasons.
Sure he has. We'll address this one after people finish compiling his picks and his BS lines, but perhaps you can tell us where things like 7 point teasers at -110 are "bettable on the screen." or where lets you buy half points at -110, or what justifies him deleting losing plays from his record.
3. The problem with Internet forums is you have a lot of guys that have very little to do in life except troll on forums, take shots at people and hide behind the safety of their computers using fake names because of there own insecurities and financial ruin because let's face it most do not win betting sports.
We already addressed how some people "win betting sports," but it's utterly hilarious that in the same post where you (rightfully) complain about certain books being quick to boot winners, you complain that winning bettors would want to remain anonymous. If you were a winner maybe you'd have more life at certain places if you weren't plastering yourself over any media outlet that will promote you, even complete scumbags like Philly Godfather? But sure, PGF's legitimate because he actually "shows his face" and "isn't hiding behind a keyboard."
But while we are waving our dicks around, here's a long history of winning picks graded vs Pinnacle lines, and there were more on the old sharpsportsbetting site but Edward took that down a year or two ago. http://www.roughingthepunter.com/showthread.php?t=3512
You're right though, everyone here posts factual criticism of the Warren Sharp's of the world because we're insecure losing bettors jealous of his "success."
4. If I can give a little advice I will. Having the apps in town are very important and A must have to beat this game. As long as you bet $500 or less you will be fine. It's when you start betting dimes that you get yourself limited or banned altogether for winning. I found that going under radar and not cashing out till end of season will get you some longevity in most spots. Will Hill is a exception though. They will throw you out if you win NO MATTER WHAT. Lol.
Thanks for the tip. I'd never heard William Hill were risk averse before.
5. I really can't help myself. I love to help the general public sharpen up their skills against these sports books. Sharp guys in the industry (there's a few on this forum ) will get upset at me for helping and giving out info like the value of numbers , skill sets and bankroll mgmt.
Yeah, I shit my pants when someone posts on a forum what the value of the college basketball 7 is or when someone posts about proper Kelly bet sizing. If you're not careful, you might find yourself threatened by mafia henchmen if you keep posting that kind of stuff.
Laughing my ass off at the idea of a guy who appears on PGF's show, the same PGF who uses countless ghost accounts to promote his tout service and threaten other people (he's posted a map to my house before where he revealed I live in a $2 million mansion, how insulting, although the tennis courts are kind of in disrepair), the same PGF who's tweeted numerous pictures of who he thought was me, numerous jokes mocking my daughter that died about me "being a deadbeat dad" and posting pictures of dead babies, is complaining that internet forums are bad because of "anonymous trolls." You seriously can't make this shit up.
I mean aside from the sportsbooks and casinos wising up to the identity of advantage players, when people like PGF threaten physical harm to people who expose their fraudulent tactics, maybe only a real piece of shit would complain that people might choose to remain anonymous?
I've been sent some of Warren Sharp's plays from last season, the first set are the plays sent with a release warning and the second are teasers. There also 2nd half bets and "late adds" and possibly other types of plays I haven't received yet, but if I do I'll post them later. If anyone has an easy way to compare these lines to Pinny or Bookmaker and the closing line, that might be useful in testing his honesty and EV. I would have to do it manually.
At first glance, the fact that he doesn't even include odds with any of these plays is a huge glaring red flag, particularly a sport like the NFL where many lines are shaded. WTF is a subscriber supposed to do when he received a play "MIA ML," just play it at any price and trust it will be graded at a fair line?
[9/10/16 5:00PM EST] DET Over 50.5 (1 unit)
[9/11/16 11:06AM EST] SD OVER 44.5 (1 unit)
[9/11/16 11:50AM EST] WAS +3 (1 unit)
[9/16/16 3:00PM EST] TEN Over 47 (1 unit)
[9/17/16 5:35PM EST] MIN 1H Under 21.5 (0.5 unit)
[9/17/16 5:36PM EST] CLE +6 (1 unit)
[9/18/16 12:14PM EST] TEN +6 (1 unit)
[9/23/16 10:30AM EST] DEN Over 41 (1 unit)
[9/24/16 2:45PM EST] ATL +3 (1 unit)
[9/25/16 10:17AM EST] MIN Over 42.5 (1 unit)
[9/30/16 11:34AM EST] MIN 1H Under 21.5 (0.5 unit)
[9/30/16 11:35AM EST] CLE Over 46 (1 unit)
[10/02/16 10:26AM EST] PIT Over 47 (1 unit)
[10/02/16 12:40PM EST] CAR Over 48 (1 unit)
[10/02/16 12:58PM EST] OAK +3.5 (1 unit)
[10/02/16 3:45PM EST] DEN Over 43 (1 unit)
[10/06/16 3:45PM EST] SD Over 50 (1 unit)
[10/07/16 5:47PM EST] MIN 1H Under 20 (0.5 unit)
[10/09/16 12:12PM EST] CHI +4.5 (1 unit)
[10/09/16 3:53PM EST] ATL Over 44.5 (1 unit)
[10/16/16 11:42AM EST] DAL Over 47 (1 unit)
[10/16/16 11:45AM EST] PHI -2.5 (1 unit)
[10/16/16 12:42PM EST] CAR Over 53 (1 unit)
[10/17/16 12:36PM EST] SD Over 51 (2 unit)
[10/20/16 5:45PM EST] Hoyer Comp Over 24 (Prop) (0.8 unit)
[10/22/16 12:05PM EST] SD +7 (1 unit)
[10/23/16 3:45PM EST] NE TT Over 27.5 (1 unit)
[10/28/16 12:50PM EST] NYJ Over 43.5 (1 unit)
[10/30/16 7:00AM EST] ATL -3 (1 unit)
[11/1/16 9:15AM EST] DAL Over 47 (1 unit)
[11/1/16 9:17AM EST] NO Over 51 (1 unit)
[11/4/16 4:40PM EST] NYG 1H Under 21.5 (0.5 unit)
[11/4/16 4:45PM EST] JAC +7.5 (1 unit)
[11/5/16 7:13PM EST] CLE +7.5 (1 unit)
[11/14/16 11:41AM EST] CIN Over 47 (1 unit)
[11/15/16 7:00PM EST] NYG Under 45.5 (0.5 unit)
[11/15/16 7:01PM EST] MIA ML (1 unit)
[11/17/16 3:30PM EST] BUF +3 (1 unit)
[11/18/16 1:16PM EST] TEN +3 (1 unit)
[11/20/16 10:30AM EST] TEN Over 53 (1 unit)
[11/20/16 11:00AM EST] JAC +6 (1 unit)
[11/20/16 9:13PM EST] GB Over 48 (0.8 unit)
[11/21/16 12:30PM EST] DAL Over 49 (1 unit)
[11/26/16 2:00PM EST] NE Over 45.5 (1 unit)
[11/27/16 10:45AM EST] CLE +7 (1 unit)
[11/27/16 11:05AM EST] SF +7.5 (1 unit)
[12/3/16 12:24PM EST] SD Over 47.5 (1 unit)
[12/3/16 12:30PM EST] BAL 1H Under 20.5 (0.5 unit)
[12/3/16 12:31PM EST] JAC 1H Under 20 (0.5 unit)
[12/4/16 11:19AM EST] KC Over 49.5 (1 unit)
[12/6/16 12:35PM EST] BAL +7.5 (1 unit)
[12/8/16 12:09PM EST] OAK Over 45.5 (1 unit)
[12/9/16 1:30PM EST] JAC 1H Under 20 (0.5 unit)
[12/11/16 12:15PM EST] ARI Over 43.5 (0.8 unit)
[12/13/16 5:30PM EST] IND Over 44 (1 unit)
[12/16/16 11:05AM EST] NYG 1H Under 20 (0.5 unit)
[12/21/16 11:37AM EST] PHI 1H Under 20.5 (0.5 unit)
[12/21/16 12:42PM EST] WAS Over 45 (1 unit)
[12/22/16 2:06PM EST] MIA Over 41 (1 unit)
[12/27/16 7:16PM EST] GB Over 48 (1 unit)
[12/29/16 12:20PM EST] CHI Over 41 (1 unit)
[1/8/17 10:10AM EST] NYG Over 44 (1 unit)
[1/8/17 10:19AM EST] MIA Over 46 (1 unit)
[1/8/17 12:44PM EST] NYG +5 (1 unit)
[1/13/17 10:25PM EST] ATL -4 (1 unit)
[1/14/17 9:35AM EST] SEA 1H Over 26 (1 unit)
[1/14/17 1:15PM EST] DAL ML (1 unit)
[1/15/17 11:52AM EST] GB Over 52 (0.8 unit)
(Payne Insider cited there is also a fraud tout. He claims to be one of the biggest East Coast Syndicates, picks 57% across all sports, claims on his site 38 winning sports seasons out of 44, yet he recently claimed the NFL 3 pushes 12.7% of the time (???), and once when an NBA team was up 2 at halftime, he thought it was a "HUGE bookmaker discrepancy" that some books had that team +1 for the 2nd half and others had them +3. This "big syndicate guy" obviously didn't even realize that +1 and +3 isn't that big a deal when 1.5 2 and 2.5 are impossible results.)
And here's PGF saying 2 years ago Krackman is part of his "crew" along with the animals.
Here's two Warren Sharp teasers that were left out of the last teaser post:
[10/20/16 4:22PM EST] NE PK/DEN -1 (1 unit)
[11/4/16 8:29PM EST] GB -0.5/DEN +8 (1 unit)
Plays with no warning:
[10/02/16 12:44PM EST] 253 Cleveland Browns +8
[10/02/16 10:05PM EST] 2H Under 23 (0.5 units) (he doesn't specify which game).
[10/09/16 11:18AM EST] 463 Chicago Bears +4.5
[10/09/16 2:39PM EST] 459 Washington Redskins Over 21 2H (0.5 units)
[10/16/16 12:44PM EST] 253 Baltimore Ravens Team Total Under 20 (0.5 units)
[10/16/16 5:25PM EST] 269 Kansas City Chiefs 2nd Half Over 23 -115 (0.75 units)
[10/16/16 5:31PM EST] 269 Kansas City Chiefs -0.5 +105 (0.5 units)
[11/6/16 2:46PM EST] 460 Miami -2.5 (0.75 units)
[11/6/16 2:46PM EST] 461 Pittsburgh Steelers 2H team total under 10.5 (+120) (0.5 units)
[11/6/16 3:52PM EST] 465 Carolina Panthers Over 44 (1 unit)
[11/12/16 8:08PM EST] 275 Cincinnati Bengals Over 47
[11/17/16 10:10PM EST] 309 New Orleans Saints second half -0.5 -120 (0.5 units)
[11/20/16 9:54PM EST] 452 Indianapolis Colts ML -145*
[11/20/16 9:54PM EST] 453 Jacksonville Jaguars +6*
[11/20/16 9:54PM EST] *(Note: now we have TEN+3 and IND ML on that game)
[11/21/16 8:03PM EST] OAK - Latavius Murray Over 62.5 rush yards (-125) (0.5 unit)
[11/24/16 10:37AM EST] 109 Washington Redskins Team Total Over 22.5 (0.5 units)
[11/27/16 10:13AM EST] 274 New York Jets Team Total Over 17.5 -120 (0.5 units)
[11/27/16 12:43PM EST] David Johnson (Arizona) pass receptions over 4.5 (-140) (0.5 units)
[11/27/16 4:15PM EST] 274 NY Jets +9 (0.75 units)
[12/3/16 12:22PM EST] 369 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Over 47.5 (1 unit)
[12/10/16 11:49PM EST] 107 San Diego Chargers Over 48.5 (0.75 units)
[12/11/16 10:35AM EST] 105 Denver Broncos Over 43.5 (1 unit)
[12/11/16 11:50AM EST] David Johnson (ARI) Over 5.5 Receptions (-125)
[12/11/16 11:50AM EST] David Johnson (ARI) Over 52.5 Receiving Yards (+100)
[12/11/16 11:50AM EST] Antonio Gates to score a Touchdown YES (+180)
[12/11/16 12:51PM EST] 118 Detroit Lions first half Under 21.5 (0.5 units)
[12/11/16 2:54PM EST] 127 Seattle Seahawks Over 45 (1 unit)
[12/16/16 5:56PM EST] 312 Chicago Bears +6 (-115) (1 unit)
[12/17/16 6:50PM EST] 323 San Francisco 49ers Over 26 first half (0.75 units)
[12/18/16 2:22PM EST] 327 Oakland Raiders Over 49.5 (1 unit)
Prop 1: Longest Reception by Chris Hogan Over 21.5 (-125) (to win 1 unit)
Prop 2: Total Completions by Tom Brady Over 24.5 (-150) (to win 0.75 units)
Prop 3: Total Players to attempt a pass Over 2.5 (+185) (risk 0.5 units)
Prop 4: Total Rushing Yards by Matt Ryan Over 6.5 (-132) (to win 0.5 units)
Prop 5: Devonta Freeman total receptions over 3.5 (-157) (to win 0.5 units)
Prop 6: Total Touchdowns scored Over 5.5 (-300) (to win 0.33 units)
Prop 7: Lady Gaga's HT Show First Song: Edge of Glory (+700) (risk 0.5 units)
Prop 8: Color of Gatorade Bath is Blue (+350) (bet to win 1 unit)
Just checking the first two sets of the Warren Sharp plays released "with warning," here's his quoted line and Pinny and CRIS at release:
[9/10/16 5:00PM EST] DET Over 50.5 (1 unit) , ov 51 -105, ov 50.5 -110
[9/11/16 11:06AM EST] SD OVER 44.5 (1 unit), ov 45 -105, ov 45 -110
[9/11/16 11:50AM EST] WAS +3 (1 unit), +3 -129, +3 -125
[9/16/16 3:00PM EST] TEN Over 47 (1 unit), ov 47.5 -107, ov 47.5 -105
[9/17/16 5:35PM EST] MIN 1H Under 21.5 (0.5 unit) un21.5 -110, un21.5 -110
[9/17/16 5:36PM EST] CLE +6 (1 unit), +6 -114, +5.5 -110
[9/18/16 12:14PM EST] TEN +6 (1 unit), +6 -113, +6 -115
The WAS +3 is particularly heinous. 5 of these 7 are pretty clearly not WA at release.
That's terrible if he did to you what you say above about your daughter. I've never been a part of his site or his selling picks service. All I did was go on his radio show a few times to promote Warren. Also, I've never booked anyone in my life never mind stiffed them.
In the world we currently live in (in the USA), if you are a successful sports gambler, at some point you will have to associate yourself with some scummy people in order to get significant amounts of $ down - its just the nature of the current sports gambling environment in America. I'm sure Krack would agree with me...
You've appeared on his show numerous times. Spare us all the excuses for that one.
Says the guy who calls factually based criticism to be "anonymous trolling."
We'll add this endorsement to his claim of picking 59% over 2000+ football picks. All the winners tease NFL totals, among other things he does.
Sure he has. We'll address this one after people finish compiling his picks and his BS lines, but perhaps you can tell us where things like 7 point teasers at -110 are "bettable on the screen." or where lets you buy half points at -110, or what justifies him deleting losing plays from his record.
We already addressed how some people "win betting sports," but it's utterly hilarious that in the same post where you (rightfully) complain about certain books being quick to boot winners, you complain that winning bettors would want to remain anonymous. If you were a winner maybe you'd have more life at certain places if you weren't plastering yourself over any media outlet that will promote you, even complete scumbags like Philly Godfather? But sure, PGF's legitimate because he actually "shows his face" and "isn't hiding behind a keyboard."
But while we are waving our dicks around, here's a long history of winning picks graded vs Pinnacle lines, and there were more on the old sharpsportsbetting site but Edward took that down a year or two ago. http://www.roughingthepunter.com/showthread.php?t=3512
You're right though, everyone here posts factual criticism of the Warren Sharp's of the world because we're insecure losing bettors jealous of his "success."
Thanks for the tip. I'd never heard William Hill were risk averse before.
Yeah, I shit my pants when someone posts on a forum what the value of the college basketball 7 is or when someone posts about proper Kelly bet sizing. If you're not careful, you might find yourself threatened by mafia henchmen if you keep posting that kind of stuff.
Can someone please help, I can't figure out what's going on in this post.
While eccentric and overzealous I don't mind Groovin's posts. I don't really think trolling him is accomplishing anything. He seems to be posting truths.
While eccentric and overzealous I don't mind Groovin's posts. I don't really think trolling him is accomplishing anything. He seems to be posting truths.
he's obsessive compulsive in his quest to disqualify anyone & everyone from passing the litmus test for being "legit". his shtick has grown quite stale imo.
I guess it's tiring if he is talking about someone not deserving of that effort. Krackman, WSharp and PGF all seem deserving imo. I guess to get back on track someone should try and keep up with his releases this year to see if they are WA.
That's terrible if he did to you what you say above about your daughter. I've never been a part of his site or his selling picks service. All I did was go on his radio show a few times to promote Warren. Also, I've never booked anyone in my life never mind stiffed them.
That's weird, I posted paragraph after paragraph about PGF and only wrote one sentence about you, the hijinks with Jafar that are a matter of public record, and you assumed the comment about booking and stiffing was about you and not him.
You appeared on PGF's show numerous times over a 5 year period and he identified you as "part of his crew" and "one of his animals" which is a little bit more involvement than "going on his radio show a few times to promote Warren," nevermind that there are numerous examples quoted in the threads here indicating that "promoting Warren" doesn't exactly help your credibility.
As I said two years ago here, "How hard is it to figure out he's [Warren's] dishonest when he's advertising a 59% overall record over 1572 picks in three different clubs on his tout site? That record is allegedly over 8 football [NFL] seasons, so only 4272 sides and totals to choose from. He's picking 37% of the available sides and totals and still picking 59%??? "
he's obsessive compulsive in his quest to disqualify anyone & everyone from passing the litmus test for being "legit". his shtick has grown quite stale imo.
Here's an idea, Sparky, if you don't want to read about PGF, or Fezzik, or Krackman, or Vegas Dave, or whoever else I write about, maybe don't read the threads???
If Edward is locking posters in the basement and requiring they read my posts as a membership requirement, I apologize for the implication that only a complete dumbass would read a thread and then complain someone is posting factual information on the topic of the thread.
In the world we currently live in (in the USA), if you are a successful sports gambler, at some point you will have to associate yourself with some scummy people in order to get significant amounts of $ down - its just the nature of the current sports gambling environment in America. I'm sure Krack would agree with me...
This is as hilariously arrogant as Krackman's claim that APs will hate him for revealing such s00per seekrit info as the value of points and proper bankroll management. I kinda know a little bit about getting significant amounts of $ down and know plenty of other people who also do, and yet none of us have ever had these moral dilemmas. I've never even been in the position where I was concerned someone I considered a friend was associating with scumbags on the level of PGF. A few of the people in my circle had a loose association with Baker (the famous bank robber / super stiff agent from 8-9 years ago) and everyone I was close with dropped him after the nonsense with hacking LVA accounts came to light.
I guess if any of us were ethically bereft and willing to do anything for a buck it would be different, but in that case, we'd all also be doing things like cheating at poker, for example.
Met "WiseKrack" one-time. Nice guy, smart and very helpful. Excellent on the radio. He should have a permanent gig. If he's looking to spread his wings then I hope he gets one.
Groovin, I admire you cleaning up the stench in this business without having any of it stick to you. There's no doubt you've saved a few of the lemmings from being dragged into the sea.
2. Warren is a winner and has very positive EV at the end of the season. I have had a few discussions with him about giving out a number that is attainable for the public. Not just one line that he's sees betable on the screen. He has really improved on this the last two seasons.
It took literally one play this season to establish that Warren and Krackman are full of shit. Per the rules of the forum I can't mention the game until it starts, but Warren's first play this season (or at least the first one I was sent), he claimed a line 2% better than Pinny, and I checked perhaps 40 different books, and literally the only ones with that line available at release were SIA and the Bodog square line.
Congarts and cheers to Krackman who has finally reached "professional handicapper" status. You can buy his picks for the low low price of $649 a month. On his site he also offers a discount to Warren Sharp's site, claiming Warren has picked 60% on NFL totals the last 11 years (sample size 752 picks) including 70% the last 2 years. Wow!
Anyone with a clue of course knows no one who can crush highly liquid markets like that would sell their picks for $975 a year with the tagline "-Pay Nothing for 6 Months- 2017 Combo Package Deal: NFL + College Football " like Warren does, but when there are morons like lakemonster out there who think I'm a bad guy for exposing this sort of utter bullshit, I guess people are gullible enough to believe anything.
The pick I referenced above was Warren Sharp released JAX +6 -110 at 4:41pm EST on Sep 7. Pinny was hanging +5.5 -111 at the time; I checked 40 different books and could only find SIA and the Bodog square line with that line at that time. But hey, the Jags won by 22 so who cares about the small matter of the line!
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I get responses like these all the time and they make no sense to me. I link people to countless examples of tout chicanery and then someone chimes in "I love how you expose all these frauds but you're wrong about [tout], I followed him [over some limited sample of picks] and did very well! A single NFL season tells you very little about someone's competency. Any idiot can get lucky over a small sample and many a fraud tout career was built that way. Conversely winners can and will have small samples where they do poorly.
Teddy Covers and Fezzik are two high profile touts who've been tracked for a long time by ComptrBob, the most respected record tracker on forums, and both have lost their ass over the large sample of picks where he tracked them, yet countless people still sing their praises because they got lucky following one of them over a small sample of picks.
LOL. PGF's criminal history is actually pretty easy to find online, this is one of my favorites:
https://twitter.com/groovinmahoovin/status/564484010844254209
I find it hilarious that despite the obsessive compulsive attention to detail I spend tracking evidence against these idiots, there are still countless people who vouch for these guys or call me a troll, etc. The scumbag who currently runs the South Point sportsbook, Chris Andrews, was on the radio last week ranting about how I'm a troll because I've exposed him (he's a failed tout) and countless tout buddies of his. It doesn't matter how much evidence you throw at these guys, they'll still deflect. Andrews claims to be a "legendary oddsmaker" yet recently couldn't even answer someone's question about how much a CBB side half point is worth. Imagine claiming 30+ years of "oddsmaking experience" yet being unable to even give a ballpark figure for such a novice question. ]
2. Warren is a winner and has very positive EV at the end of the season. I have had a few discussions with him about giving out a number that is attainable for the public. Not just one line that he's sees betable on the screen. He has really improved on this the last two seasons.
3. The problem with Internet forums is you have a lot of guys that have very little to do in life except troll on forums, take shots at people and hide behind the safety of their computers using fake names because of there own insecurities and financial ruin because let's face it most do not win betting sports.
4. If I can give a little advice I will. Having the apps in town are very important and A must have to beat this game. As long as you bet $500 or less you will be fine. It's when you start betting dimes that you get yourself limited or banned altogether for winning. I found that going under radar and not cashing out till end of season will get you some longevity in most spots. Will Hill is a exception though. They will throw you out if you win NO MATTER WHAT. Lol.
5. I really can't help myself. I love to help the general public sharpen up their skills against these sports books. Sharp guys in the industry (there's a few on this forum ) will get upset at me for helping and giving out info like the value of numbers , skill sets and bankroll mgmt.
Bill (Krackman) Krackomberger. My own name and you can google me and run in to me almost everyday at Casinos around town except the ones I'm banned from playing for winning. Will Hill, Stations and Treasure Island. Always happy to give advice and strategies.
I guess we have different ideas of what "winning betting sports" means, but you'll find most people here don't define it as
1) booking people and stiffing them for their winnings, threatening them with mobster enforcers when needed
2) manipulating compromised Pinnacle accounts with the Jafars of the world
You've appeared on his show numerous times. Spare us all the excuses for that one.
Says the guy who calls factually based criticism to be "anonymous trolling."
We'll add this endorsement to his claim of picking 59% over 2000+ football picks. All the winners tease NFL totals, among other things he does.
Sure he has. We'll address this one after people finish compiling his picks and his BS lines, but perhaps you can tell us where things like 7 point teasers at -110 are "bettable on the screen." or where lets you buy half points at -110, or what justifies him deleting losing plays from his record.
We already addressed how some people "win betting sports," but it's utterly hilarious that in the same post where you (rightfully) complain about certain books being quick to boot winners, you complain that winning bettors would want to remain anonymous. If you were a winner maybe you'd have more life at certain places if you weren't plastering yourself over any media outlet that will promote you, even complete scumbags like Philly Godfather? But sure, PGF's legitimate because he actually "shows his face" and "isn't hiding behind a keyboard."
But while we are waving our dicks around, here's a long history of winning picks graded vs Pinnacle lines, and there were more on the old sharpsportsbetting site but Edward took that down a year or two ago. http://www.roughingthepunter.com/showthread.php?t=3512
You're right though, everyone here posts factual criticism of the Warren Sharp's of the world because we're insecure losing bettors jealous of his "success."
Thanks for the tip. I'd never heard William Hill were risk averse before.
Yeah, I shit my pants when someone posts on a forum what the value of the college basketball 7 is or when someone posts about proper Kelly bet sizing. If you're not careful, you might find yourself threatened by mafia henchmen if you keep posting that kind of stuff.
I mean aside from the sportsbooks and casinos wising up to the identity of advantage players, when people like PGF threaten physical harm to people who expose their fraudulent tactics, maybe only a real piece of shit would complain that people might choose to remain anonymous?
At first glance, the fact that he doesn't even include odds with any of these plays is a huge glaring red flag, particularly a sport like the NFL where many lines are shaded. WTF is a subscriber supposed to do when he received a play "MIA ML," just play it at any price and trust it will be graded at a fair line?
[9/10/16 5:00PM EST] DET Over 50.5 (1 unit)
[9/11/16 11:06AM EST] SD OVER 44.5 (1 unit)
[9/11/16 11:50AM EST] WAS +3 (1 unit)
[9/16/16 3:00PM EST] TEN Over 47 (1 unit)
[9/17/16 5:35PM EST] MIN 1H Under 21.5 (0.5 unit)
[9/17/16 5:36PM EST] CLE +6 (1 unit)
[9/18/16 12:14PM EST] TEN +6 (1 unit)
[9/23/16 10:30AM EST] DEN Over 41 (1 unit)
[9/24/16 2:45PM EST] ATL +3 (1 unit)
[9/25/16 10:17AM EST] MIN Over 42.5 (1 unit)
[9/30/16 11:34AM EST] MIN 1H Under 21.5 (0.5 unit)
[9/30/16 11:35AM EST] CLE Over 46 (1 unit)
[10/02/16 10:26AM EST] PIT Over 47 (1 unit)
[10/02/16 12:40PM EST] CAR Over 48 (1 unit)
[10/02/16 12:58PM EST] OAK +3.5 (1 unit)
[10/02/16 3:45PM EST] DEN Over 43 (1 unit)
[10/06/16 3:45PM EST] SD Over 50 (1 unit)
[10/07/16 5:47PM EST] MIN 1H Under 20 (0.5 unit)
[10/09/16 12:12PM EST] CHI +4.5 (1 unit)
[10/09/16 3:53PM EST] ATL Over 44.5 (1 unit)
[10/16/16 11:42AM EST] DAL Over 47 (1 unit)
[10/16/16 11:45AM EST] PHI -2.5 (1 unit)
[10/16/16 12:42PM EST] CAR Over 53 (1 unit)
[10/17/16 12:36PM EST] SD Over 51 (2 unit)
[10/20/16 5:45PM EST] Hoyer Comp Over 24 (Prop) (0.8 unit)
[10/22/16 12:05PM EST] SD +7 (1 unit)
[10/23/16 3:45PM EST] NE TT Over 27.5 (1 unit)
[10/28/16 12:50PM EST] NYJ Over 43.5 (1 unit)
[10/30/16 7:00AM EST] ATL -3 (1 unit)
[11/1/16 9:15AM EST] DAL Over 47 (1 unit)
[11/1/16 9:17AM EST] NO Over 51 (1 unit)
[11/4/16 4:40PM EST] NYG 1H Under 21.5 (0.5 unit)
[11/4/16 4:45PM EST] JAC +7.5 (1 unit)
[11/5/16 7:13PM EST] CLE +7.5 (1 unit)
[11/14/16 11:41AM EST] CIN Over 47 (1 unit)
[11/15/16 7:00PM EST] NYG Under 45.5 (0.5 unit)
[11/15/16 7:01PM EST] MIA ML (1 unit)
[11/17/16 3:30PM EST] BUF +3 (1 unit)
[11/18/16 1:16PM EST] TEN +3 (1 unit)
[11/20/16 10:30AM EST] TEN Over 53 (1 unit)
[11/20/16 11:00AM EST] JAC +6 (1 unit)
[11/20/16 9:13PM EST] GB Over 48 (0.8 unit)
[11/21/16 12:30PM EST] DAL Over 49 (1 unit)
[11/26/16 2:00PM EST] NE Over 45.5 (1 unit)
[11/27/16 10:45AM EST] CLE +7 (1 unit)
[11/27/16 11:05AM EST] SF +7.5 (1 unit)
[12/3/16 12:24PM EST] SD Over 47.5 (1 unit)
[12/3/16 12:30PM EST] BAL 1H Under 20.5 (0.5 unit)
[12/3/16 12:31PM EST] JAC 1H Under 20 (0.5 unit)
[12/4/16 11:19AM EST] KC Over 49.5 (1 unit)
[12/6/16 12:35PM EST] BAL +7.5 (1 unit)
[12/8/16 12:09PM EST] OAK Over 45.5 (1 unit)
[12/9/16 1:30PM EST] JAC 1H Under 20 (0.5 unit)
[12/11/16 12:15PM EST] ARI Over 43.5 (0.8 unit)
[12/13/16 5:30PM EST] IND Over 44 (1 unit)
[12/16/16 11:05AM EST] NYG 1H Under 20 (0.5 unit)
[12/21/16 11:37AM EST] PHI 1H Under 20.5 (0.5 unit)
[12/21/16 12:42PM EST] WAS Over 45 (1 unit)
[12/22/16 2:06PM EST] MIA Over 41 (1 unit)
[12/27/16 7:16PM EST] GB Over 48 (1 unit)
[12/29/16 12:20PM EST] CHI Over 41 (1 unit)
[1/8/17 10:10AM EST] NYG Over 44 (1 unit)
[1/8/17 10:19AM EST] MIA Over 46 (1 unit)
[1/8/17 12:44PM EST] NYG +5 (1 unit)
[1/13/17 10:25PM EST] ATL -4 (1 unit)
[1/14/17 9:35AM EST] SEA 1H Over 26 (1 unit)
[1/14/17 1:15PM EST] DAL ML (1 unit)
[1/15/17 11:52AM EST] GB Over 52 (0.8 unit)
[1/22/17 3:43PM EST] GB 1H Over 30.5 (1 unit)
[1/31/17 2:20PM EST] NE Over 57 (1 unit)
Teasers:
Teasers:
[9/10/16 5:01PM EST] NYJ/DET +7 (1 unit)
[9/18/16 12:02PM EST] MIA/CAR +7 (1 unit)
[9/23/16 5:20PM EST] JAC/MIA +7 (1 unit)
[10/1/16 11:20AM EST] NYJ/SF +7 (1 unit)
[10/8/16 9:26PM EST] BUF +7/SD +10.5 (1 unit)
[10/16/16 11:08AM EST] LA/OAK +7 (1 unit)
[11/10/16 12:42PM EST] NE -0.5/CIN +7 (1 unit)
[11/22/16 5:25PM EST] SD +7/NE -1 (1 unit)
[12/8/16 1:08PM EST] ARI +8/WAS +7 (1 unit)
[1/1/17 9:56AM EST] WAS PK/SEA -2.5 (1 unit)
https://twitter.com/phillygodfather/status/249955775001280512
(Payne Insider cited there is also a fraud tout. He claims to be one of the biggest East Coast Syndicates, picks 57% across all sports, claims on his site 38 winning sports seasons out of 44, yet he recently claimed the NFL 3 pushes 12.7% of the time (???), and once when an NBA team was up 2 at halftime, he thought it was a "HUGE bookmaker discrepancy" that some books had that team +1 for the 2nd half and others had them +3. This "big syndicate guy" obviously didn't even realize that +1 and +3 isn't that big a deal when 1.5 2 and 2.5 are impossible results.)
And here's PGF saying 2 years ago Krackman is part of his "crew" along with the animals.
https://twitter.com/phillygodfather/status/661347143920259072
https://twitter.com/phillygodfather/status/661347526235303936
But sure, Krackman has never "vouched" for PGF ANYWHERE.
[10/20/16 4:22PM EST] NE PK/DEN -1 (1 unit)
[11/4/16 8:29PM EST] GB -0.5/DEN +8 (1 unit)
Plays with no warning:
[10/02/16 12:44PM EST] 253 Cleveland Browns +8
[10/02/16 10:05PM EST] 2H Under 23 (0.5 units) (he doesn't specify which game).
[10/09/16 11:18AM EST] 463 Chicago Bears +4.5
[10/09/16 2:39PM EST] 459 Washington Redskins Over 21 2H (0.5 units)
[10/16/16 12:44PM EST] 253 Baltimore Ravens Team Total Under 20 (0.5 units)
[10/16/16 5:25PM EST] 269 Kansas City Chiefs 2nd Half Over 23 -115 (0.75 units)
[10/16/16 5:31PM EST] 269 Kansas City Chiefs -0.5 +105 (0.5 units)
[11/6/16 2:46PM EST] 460 Miami -2.5 (0.75 units)
[11/6/16 2:46PM EST] 461 Pittsburgh Steelers 2H team total under 10.5 (+120) (0.5 units)
[11/6/16 3:52PM EST] 465 Carolina Panthers Over 44 (1 unit)
[11/12/16 8:08PM EST] 275 Cincinnati Bengals Over 47
[11/17/16 10:10PM EST] 309 New Orleans Saints second half -0.5 -120 (0.5 units)
[11/20/16 9:54PM EST] 452 Indianapolis Colts ML -145*
[11/20/16 9:54PM EST] 453 Jacksonville Jaguars +6*
[11/20/16 9:54PM EST] *(Note: now we have TEN+3 and IND ML on that game)
[11/21/16 8:03PM EST] OAK - Latavius Murray Over 62.5 rush yards (-125) (0.5 unit)
[11/24/16 10:37AM EST] 109 Washington Redskins Team Total Over 22.5 (0.5 units)
[11/27/16 10:13AM EST] 274 New York Jets Team Total Over 17.5 -120 (0.5 units)
[11/27/16 12:43PM EST] David Johnson (Arizona) pass receptions over 4.5 (-140) (0.5 units)
[11/27/16 4:15PM EST] 274 NY Jets +9 (0.75 units)
[12/3/16 12:22PM EST] 369 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Over 47.5 (1 unit)
[12/10/16 11:49PM EST] 107 San Diego Chargers Over 48.5 (0.75 units)
[12/11/16 10:35AM EST] 105 Denver Broncos Over 43.5 (1 unit)
[12/11/16 11:50AM EST] David Johnson (ARI) Over 5.5 Receptions (-125)
[12/11/16 11:50AM EST] David Johnson (ARI) Over 52.5 Receiving Yards (+100)
[12/11/16 11:50AM EST] Antonio Gates to score a Touchdown YES (+180)
[12/11/16 12:51PM EST] 118 Detroit Lions first half Under 21.5 (0.5 units)
[12/11/16 2:54PM EST] 127 Seattle Seahawks Over 45 (1 unit)
[12/16/16 5:56PM EST] 312 Chicago Bears +6 (-115) (1 unit)
[12/17/16 6:50PM EST] 323 San Francisco 49ers Over 26 first half (0.75 units)
[12/18/16 2:22PM EST] 327 Oakland Raiders Over 49.5 (1 unit)
[12/22/16 8:54PM EST] 131 Detroit Lions +7.5 (1 unit)
[12/24/16 12:20PM EST] 106 Buffalo Bills -4 (-115) (1 unit)
[12/24/16 12:50PM EST] 116 Jacksonville Jaguars +4.5 (0.75 units)
[12/24/16 3:46PM EST] 126 Houston Texans ML -145 (1 unit)
[1/8/17 12:31PM EST] Eli Rogers (PIT) Over 47.5 receiving yards (-130) (0.5 units)
[1/8/17 2:46PM EST] 106 Pittsburgh second half Under 23.5 - (0.5 units)
[1/15/17 4:20PM EST] u41½ -115 (Ty Montgomery rush yards) (0.5 units)
[1/22/17 2:44PM EST] 312 Atlanta Falcons moneyline (-225) (to win 0.75 units)
[1/22/17 6:21PM EST] 313 Pittsburgh Steelers over 49.5 (1 unit)
Super Bowl Props:
Prop 1: Longest Reception by Chris Hogan Over 21.5 (-125) (to win 1 unit)
Prop 2: Total Completions by Tom Brady Over 24.5 (-150) (to win 0.75 units)
Prop 3: Total Players to attempt a pass Over 2.5 (+185) (risk 0.5 units)
Prop 4: Total Rushing Yards by Matt Ryan Over 6.5 (-132) (to win 0.5 units)
Prop 5: Devonta Freeman total receptions over 3.5 (-157) (to win 0.5 units)
Prop 6: Total Touchdowns scored Over 5.5 (-300) (to win 0.33 units)
Prop 7: Lady Gaga's HT Show First Song: Edge of Glory (+700) (risk 0.5 units)
Prop 8: Color of Gatorade Bath is Blue (+350) (bet to win 1 unit)
[9/10/16 5:00PM EST] DET Over 50.5 (1 unit) , ov 51 -105, ov 50.5 -110
[9/11/16 11:06AM EST] SD OVER 44.5 (1 unit), ov 45 -105, ov 45 -110
[9/11/16 11:50AM EST] WAS +3 (1 unit), +3 -129, +3 -125
[9/16/16 3:00PM EST] TEN Over 47 (1 unit), ov 47.5 -107, ov 47.5 -105
[9/17/16 5:35PM EST] MIN 1H Under 21.5 (0.5 unit) un21.5 -110, un21.5 -110
[9/17/16 5:36PM EST] CLE +6 (1 unit), +6 -114, +5.5 -110
[9/18/16 12:14PM EST] TEN +6 (1 unit), +6 -113, +6 -115
The WAS +3 is particularly heinous. 5 of these 7 are pretty clearly not WA at release.
Can someone please help, I can't figure out what's going on in this post.
he's obsessive compulsive in his quest to disqualify anyone & everyone from passing the litmus test for being "legit". his shtick has grown quite stale imo.
That's weird, I posted paragraph after paragraph about PGF and only wrote one sentence about you, the hijinks with Jafar that are a matter of public record, and you assumed the comment about booking and stiffing was about you and not him.
You appeared on PGF's show numerous times over a 5 year period and he identified you as "part of his crew" and "one of his animals" which is a little bit more involvement than "going on his radio show a few times to promote Warren," nevermind that there are numerous examples quoted in the threads here indicating that "promoting Warren" doesn't exactly help your credibility.
As I said two years ago here, "How hard is it to figure out he's [Warren's] dishonest when he's advertising a 59% overall record over 1572 picks in three different clubs on his tout site? That record is allegedly over 8 football [NFL] seasons, so only 4272 sides and totals to choose from. He's picking 37% of the available sides and totals and still picking 59%??? "
Here's an idea, Sparky, if you don't want to read about PGF, or Fezzik, or Krackman, or Vegas Dave, or whoever else I write about, maybe don't read the threads???
If Edward is locking posters in the basement and requiring they read my posts as a membership requirement, I apologize for the implication that only a complete dumbass would read a thread and then complain someone is posting factual information on the topic of the thread.
This is as hilariously arrogant as Krackman's claim that APs will hate him for revealing such s00per seekrit info as the value of points and proper bankroll management. I kinda know a little bit about getting significant amounts of $ down and know plenty of other people who also do, and yet none of us have ever had these moral dilemmas. I've never even been in the position where I was concerned someone I considered a friend was associating with scumbags on the level of PGF. A few of the people in my circle had a loose association with Baker (the famous bank robber / super stiff agent from 8-9 years ago) and everyone I was close with dropped him after the nonsense with hacking LVA accounts came to light.
I guess if any of us were ethically bereft and willing to do anything for a buck it would be different, but in that case, we'd all also be doing things like cheating at poker, for example.
Groovin, I admire you cleaning up the stench in this business without having any of it stick to you. There's no doubt you've saved a few of the lemmings from being dragged into the sea.
kinda like Billy Walters used to do?
bottom line is that Krackman is a winner ...
It took literally one play this season to establish that Warren and Krackman are full of shit. Per the rules of the forum I can't mention the game until it starts, but Warren's first play this season (or at least the first one I was sent), he claimed a line 2% better than Pinny, and I checked perhaps 40 different books, and literally the only ones with that line available at release were SIA and the Bodog square line.
Anyone with a clue of course knows no one who can crush highly liquid markets like that would sell their picks for $975 a year with the tagline "-Pay Nothing for 6 Months- 2017 Combo Package Deal: NFL + College Football " like Warren does, but when there are morons like lakemonster out there who think I'm a bad guy for exposing this sort of utter bullshit, I guess people are gullible enough to believe anything.
The pick I referenced above was Warren Sharp released JAX +6 -110 at 4:41pm EST on Sep 7. Pinny was hanging +5.5 -111 at the time; I checked 40 different books and could only find SIA and the Bodog square line with that line at that time. But hey, the Jags won by 22 so who cares about the small matter of the line!