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PGA The Open Championship - FREE Contest (just reply!)

Fat PolamaluFat Polamalu Senior Member
edited July 2014 in Sports Betting
The Players: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TBOKYW4oqMBRHkKDlw0xyh8kh5j1WFI3d_-AQqvRmrU/pubhtml#
This is a pretty decent spreadsheet (I didn't make it) to get started with. Its got player form, as well as the last 3 Open results, plus the results from the last time the Open was held at Royal Liverpool. Im pretty sure it will update through the week if there are WDs. I can't remember if the odds get updated.

The Course: http://www.theopen.com/en/TheCourse.aspx

The Weather: http://www.myweather2.com/Golf-Courses/United-Kingdom/Merseyside/Royal-Liverpool-Golf-Club.aspx

Let's pick some winners.
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  • Fat PolamaluFat Polamalu Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    First round tee times: http://scores.theopen.com/TeeTimes.aspx

    Robert Karlsson in the first group is an interesting pick.
  • nuddernudder Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    thanks FP! there's no MLB for the first part of this week so it looks like it's only PGA in the DFS world. With it being a big tourney I imagine that means there will be a LOT of participants in these GPPs.
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    Thanks for getting this started and posting some useful links, FP. Really looking forward to this one, just an incredible course!

    We'll have this week's PGA contest up by this evening with an announcement of the event we'll be entering. (*HINT* It will be the largest GPP we've entered to date, with a large enough prize pool everyone should be excited for!)
  • drewbydrewby Fantasy Expert
    edited July 2014
    I'm fired up for this week! I have 5 bullet's in the $22 big score on DS that I am looking forward to playing. Should be lots of action this week and an excellent tourney.
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    drewby wrote: »
    I'm fired up for this week! I have 5 bullet's in the $22 big score on DS that I am looking forward to playing. Should be lots of action this week and an excellent tourney.

    According to a DraftKings rep, your 5 bullets for DraftStreet's "Big Score" will be converted to DK at 100% cash value. I also have a voucher for that event. Honestly, pretty disappointed won't be able to play that event this weekend. I love DS's golf pricing way more than DK's, so hopefully that is one of the things they will bring over in the merge.
  • drewbydrewby Fantasy Expert
    edited July 2014
    Agreed. On a more direct Open note, I just listened to an awesome interview with Phil. He was talking about Open championships and how almost everyone is playing their approach shots from very similar locations with the nature of links golf. To me, this was a subtle key that GIR % and putting will be the most impactful stats, along with being accurate off of the tee.

    I ran a regression last week against 2013 scoring for the top 120 players and found that GIR % and Putting accounted for 77% of a player's scoring average on the season. This was pretty eye opening for me, and while on different courses it may vary more/less it's worth sharing.
  • drewbydrewby Fantasy Expert
    edited July 2014
    Attached is my workbook for this week. Note that due to a field heavy with European PGA players I had to use Euro PGA stats for a bunch of golfers. All wins/cuts stats are based on US PGA, but for some players driving accuracy, etc, is based on the European tour. I've also highlighted the fields in green that I'll be focused most on. Spreadsheet here
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    This week's PGA Tour Event takes us to Hoylake, England for the third Major Championship of the season. Phil Mickelson will try to defend his 2013 title at The Open Championship at the beautiful Royal Liverpool Golf Club, and while the course itself is beautiful, the weather doesn't look so pretty. Friday looks to be the most difficult day with high winds and scattered rain, so nothing will be easy.

    This week, we'll be entering 2 lineups into the DraftKings $60k Royal Golf Championship GPP ($20 entry) where the winner will walk away with a sweet $10,000. The top 675 places will be paid (minimum $40) in the 3,402 max entry field. We've improved our standing each of the first three weeks we've participated in these contests, so we're looking to improve even further and score some cash this week!


    What's in it for you?
    Simple. Just make a post in this thread (create a new Betting Talk account here for free if you don't already have one) with any type of thought on this week's Championship, and you'll get a piece of anything we win*. It's basically a freeroll for you! Just offer your thoughts on players we should look at, discuss strategy, ask questions -- really anything and you'll be eligible to split our prize if we win!

    Deadline of 11pm EST Wednesday to be eligible.

    Questions? Ask them here. Now let's go win some money!

    FYI, here's a link to the .CSV file containing all of this week's players' salaries. We need to choose six players for each lineup that fit under a $50,000 salary cap.



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  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    A name I'll throw out there tonight is Graeme McDowell. I've had his name written down for two weeks to make a serious run at the title.

    I expect to have him on a roster here, unless you guys can give me good enough reasons not to use him?

    As far as the top priced guys go, I'm interested in Adam Scott and Henrik Stenson at first glace (I haven't done my full capping yet), with Justin Rose being my top "stay-away" guy. Who do you guys like in the top tier of guys? For those who don't want to access drewby's spreadsheet (which is great, btw, love the updated changes) or the DraftKings prices file, here's the top tier:


    <tbody>
    Adam Scott
    $10,800


    Rory McIlroy
    $10,700


    Justin Rose
    $10,600


    Martin Kaymer
    $10,500


    Henrik Stenson
    $10,400


    Tiger Woods
    $10,300

    </tbody>
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    Keep in mind I'm just breaking these guys into groups of what I personally think are the top guys, second tier, etc. in terms of pricing, and multiple players or no one at all can be selected in each.

    In the next group of players, I think Sergio Garcia is an interesting choice. I almost definitely want to use him, but am hesitant at the same time. Matt Kuchar and Phil Mickelson also seem like they would be great choices, and of course, I mentioned how much I love McDowell. This is an extremely tough group of guys and it will be difficult to narrow them down, imo.


    <tbody>
    Sergio Garcia
    $10,100


    Matt Kuchar
    $10,000


    Phil Mickelson
    $9,900


    Jason Day
    $9,700


    Graeme McDowell
    $9,600

    </tbody>
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    The larger third group may very well hold the key on creating the perfect lineup. Dustin Johnson and Rickie Fowler stand out to me at first glance. I'll definitely be doing some intense capping on this group.


    <tbody>
    Jordan Spieth
    $9,500


    Dustin Johnson
    $9,400


    Jim Furyk
    $9,300


    Rickie Fowler
    $9,200


    Bubba Watson
    $9,100


    Zach Johnson
    $9,100


    Luke Donald
    $9,000


    Lee Westwood
    $9,000


    Ian Poulter
    $8,900


    Brandt Snedeker
    $8,800

    </tbody>

    With 88 of the top 90 players in the world competing this week (Stricker and Howell III absent for personal reasons) and DraftKings pricing so close from top-to-mid-to lower level guys, it's going to be a huge challenge to find the perfect roster. The tight pricing at the top almost certainly means we'll have to find a deep sleeper or two. Any dark horses on the radar yet?

    Let us know what you think, whether it be an interesting tidbit on a player, a stat that is just too hard to ignore, or a piece of info on the weather for this weekend. Let's find that perfect lineup!
  • drewbydrewby Fantasy Expert
    edited July 2014
    I was tempted to hold this one to myself, but our forum is small enough ;) I just hope nobody at RG recommends him otherwise "Joe Public" is going to go ham copying Notorious' plays, but I am going to give a HARD look at Francesco Molinari, priced at just $5,800. He is 8 for 8 in cuts on the PGA tour with 2 top 10's, has 2 top 15's and a top 40 in the last 5 years at the British, and finished 6th at the players and 23rd at the US Open. He's 17:1 to crack the Top 5, or the same odds as Jason Dufner whose price tag is 8,000.

    End of the day, it's possible this player ends up in 100% of my lineups this weekend.
  • Fat PolamaluFat Polamalu Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    Thats a really cheap price for Francesco. I can get behind that. I kind of like Jimmy Walker this week too.
  • gatorshoosiersgatorshoosiers Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    Fowler, Stenson, and Sergio are my top 3 choices
  • Cenger66Cenger66 Junior Member
    edited July 2014
    I like Justin Leonard a lot in GPPs. Only 4900 on DK and his past 6 Open Championship finishes include an 8th, a 13th and a 16th. The problem is the other 3 are MCs. I just think it's worth the risk in a lineup or two. I'm not advocating playing him across the board, but he's a huge upside play and super cheap.
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    drewby wrote: »
    I am going to give a HARD look at Francesco Molinari, priced at just $5,800. He is 8 for 8 in cuts on the PGA tour with 2 top 10's, has 2 top 15's and a top 40 in the last 5 years at the British, and finished 6th at the players and 23rd at the US Open. He's 17:1 to crack the Top 5, or the same odds as Jason Dufner whose price tag is 8,000.

    Yeah I can get behind this pick, too. His numbers look solid, as you've mentioned, and his stats seem to back them up. It's a great price tag and will allow us to afford more at the top end. We're probably getting extra value this week on his price, since he missed the cut last weekend at The Scottish Open, but other than that his form seems to be very good from what I've read.

    Nice find, drewby.

    Anyone have thoughts on Eric Compton and his $5,600 price? Runner-up at this year's U.S. Open. His stats don't pop off the page to you, but always like to at least consider a player who was right there at the end in a recent Major.
  • drewbydrewby Fantasy Expert
    edited July 2014
    This week, it is on to the British Open (which I refused to refer to as the Open Championship) at Royal Liverpool, where Tiger Woods infamously hit 2-iron off of the tee for the entire tournament, finishing first overall. The course is playing different this year and should be much softer, but a premium still placed on staying out of trouble. I focused primarily on GIR and putting this week, with a minor emphasis on scrambling and driving accuracy, with driver expected to stay in the bag most of the week. Listed to an interesting interview with Phil Mickelson where he referenced distance mattering less and most players playing approach shots from a similar area.

    With the best players in the world in the field, from a strategic perspective I'd prefer to have balanced lineups in cash games versus splurging for Adam Scott or McIlroy. That said, those guys are are disclaimer plays and can be rostered comfortably where you can afford them, with Scott the safer option. Last, I think it's important to touch on Tiger Woods along with the rest of the media -- simply put, he can't be trusted in cash games and is a GPP only option, despite tremendous success at the British in his career and a victory at this exact same golf course. Now on to our plays:

    General Plays

    Phil Mickelson - I might be in the minority but I like Phil this week. He's cheap on a relative basis compared to offshore odds, and his approach game and chipping is still world class. His "dreadful" form has still yield an 11th at Fedex, 28th at the US Open, and 11th last week at the Scottish Open. I see no reason he can't contend.

    Dustin Johnson - There's a lot to like about DJ besides his relationship with Paulina Gretzky. Perceived by many as a bomber, DJ's approach game and putting is a bit under the radar, and he has top 15's in 3 of the last 4 British Opens. He's a player primed for a breakthrough.

    Zach Johnson - Johnson & Johnson approach coming into play this week, with Zach also having good success at the last 3 British Opens at 6th, 9th and 16th, and coming off a 2nd in a weak John Deere field.

    Keegan Bradley - My affinity for the Vermont native is well documented at this point, and may be a slight problem. Every course I find myself wanting to recommend him as I love his well rounded game for challenging courses, and championship pedigree.

    Low Price Plays

    Simply put Francesco Molinari is criminally underpriced and may be rostered in 100% of my lineups. He's 8 for 8 on the pga tour this year with a Top 10 at TPC and 23rd at the US open. His sportsbook odds imply he should be priced at $8k yet he can be yours for just $5,800. He also has tremendous accuracy off the tee and a top 25 field percent for GIR.

    Stewart Cink - 10 consecutive cuts for just $5,600 and cuts in 3 of the last 4 British Opens. More of a cash game guy with lower upside.
    Ross Fisher - Complete flyer here but he's dirt cheap and has made 4 of 5 cuts at the British and has one of the highest GIR % in the field. Won't roster him often but likely find my way onto a lineup.

    Edoardo Molinari - Getting a little weird with twins here, but if you play both of them, you're highly likely to get 108 holes of production, versus spending $10k elsewhere for 72 holes of production on someone like Matt Kuchar.

    Other sub $7k guys to consider: Kevin Na, Thongchai Jadee, Ryan Moore
  • JMU_DegenerateJMU_Degenerate Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    In order of how much I am going to play them this weekend:
    (1) Probably in every entry - Henrik Stenson(10400) #2 player in world for a reason
    (2) A. Cabrera(7600) - pulled this from another website... The last three winners (Darren Clarke, Ernie Els and Mickelson) were all in their 40s, and from that age group, no one’s presently playing better than Cabrera. He emerged victorious at The Greenbrier to kick off the month, finished seventh when the Open was contested at Hoylake in 2006 and remains one of the longest drivers and premiere distance putters on Tour at age 44 – 16th DDis & 14th >25-foot putting. He already has two Majors (2007 US Open, 2009 Masters) and a secret weapon to remain relaxed in stressful situations…
    (3) G. McDowell (9600)

    Sleeper: Brendan Todd(7400) - Todd has put together an impressive run featuring five Top 10s in six starts, with his only stumble being a T17 at the US Open. And really, it was just one round. The world’s 41st ranked player entered the weekend second to Kaymer, then fired a Saturday 79. He blew up in a Major, it happens. Despite being well out of contention, Todd carded a Sunday 69; it was reassuring to see him not pack it in

    Wish I had a reason to play him because he is so fun to watch: M.A. Jimenez
  • Fat PolamaluFat Polamalu Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    Im going with this lineup.

    Henrik Stenson
    Jimmy Walker
    Luke Donald
    Mikko Ilonen
    Thongchai Jaidee
    Rickie Fowler
    Wish I had a reason to play him because he is so fun to watch: M.A. Jimenez

    I put a little bit on him to be the first round leader.

    Good luck guys.
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    Im going with this lineup.

    Henrik Stenson
    Jimmy Walker
    Luke Donald
    Mikko Ilonen
    Thongchai Jaidee
    Rickie Fowler

    Good luck guys.

    I've been hearing a lot about this Ilonen guy this week. Honestly, I don't really know anything about him. He doesn't have much of a sample size to go on this year (just 2 events it looks like). Is this a guy who should be on our radar?
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    Sleeper: Brendan Todd(7400) - Todd has put together an impressive run featuring five Top 10s in six starts, with his only stumble being a T17 at the US Open. And really, it was just one round. The world’s 41st ranked player entered the weekend second to Kaymer, then fired a Saturday 79. He blew up in a Major, it happens. Despite being well out of contention, Todd carded a Sunday 69; it was reassuring to see him not pack it in

    I've been confidently rostering Todd every week for the past month. He's simply been flat out amazing. I guess you could say Brendan Todd is to me, as Keegan Bradley is to Drewby.

    Wish I had a reason to play him because he is so fun to watch: M.A. Jimenez

    Based on his odds to win of 81-1 and odds of 17-1 to place top 5, there's value in his price tag of just $7,200. Other guys with those odds are priced at $8,000. That's usually a good place to start when looking for value, and sometimes reason enough to warrant a roster spot.

    Taking at look at his history at this event, and suddenly he jumps out as having even more value. His finishes of T13, T9, T25, T27, and T13 are nothing short of solid, and now has me looking hard at this guy. He might be a sneaky GPP play, too. Hmm..
  • Fat PolamaluFat Polamalu Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    He won the 2000 British Amateur Championship at Royal Liverpool, and also won the Irish Open a couple weeks ago. I think he placed 16th at hoylake for the 2006 Open.
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    He won the 2000 British Amateur Championship at Royal Liverpool, and also won the Irish Open a couple weeks ago. I think he placed 16th at hoylake for the 2006 Open.

    I wonder if he'll be widely owned. Seems to be on a lot of radars. Would take a shot if think he might be low owned. Just reading about him a bit now, he seems to know this course well. Pencilling him in..
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    Drewby - Are we concerned at all now that our favorite giant DFS golf preview has let the cat out of the bag on Molinari? He'll likely be highly owned now which makes him less attractive in the GPP. We really need a guy at that price point though, so might just have to go with him. Saw him in a second picks preview elsewhere, as well.

    What are your thoughts? Keep him rostered or find another sleeper?
  • ParkerMParkerM Moderator
    edited July 2014
    I love Henrik Stenson as much as everyone else this week. Problem is - everyone else loves him.

    He might be the safest 50/50 play on the board, but he'll likely be highly owned in the GPP. Would we be better off going with another top dog flying under the radar a bit?

    Martin Kaymer hasn't been getting much attention, which is odd since he won the last major and appears to be in solid form.

    Thoughts on going with the less popular Kaymer over a widely-owned Stenson, or do we roll with the guy many think is the favorite to win this weekend?

    Or maybe sliding just below Stenson to a guy like Sergio Garcia? Something tells me he's going to be a factor on Sunday. His stats are solid across the board (for the ones we care about anyway - Driving Accuracy, GIR%, and Putting Rank. Arguably better than any of the 6 guys above him).
  • grej26grej26 Member
    edited July 2014
    Francesco has made every team I have entered. Stenson, Scott, and Thomas Bjorn are on most also.
  • nuddernudder Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    ParkerM wrote: »
    Martin Kaymer hasn't been getting much attention, which is odd since he won the last major and appears to be in solid form.

    Thoughts on going with the less popular Kaymer over a widely-owned Stenson, or do we roll with the guy many think is the favorite to win this weekend?

    I for one like the idea of going with Kaymer in a situation like this where we can safely assume that Stenson will be highly owned. It's the British Open, there's 3000+ entries in this DFS contest, you need a guy at the top who isn't owned by everyone else. we only have two lineups so it feels like we need to take more risks than we would if we had 5-10 entries.

    But with all that said, i'll of course defer to some of the more knowledgeable golf minds on here if stenson is a "must-play" for them.
  • TommyLTommyL Super Moderator
    edited July 2014
    Based on his price, I'd think that Rickie Fowler is a very strong play. I like Hoey as a dark horse.
  • drewbydrewby Fantasy Expert
    edited July 2014
    I'm not opposed to fading Molinari in some of my GPP lineups, but won't be fading him entirely.
  • nuddernudder Senior Member
    edited July 2014
    What about Brendan Steele ($5200) as a low-end option this week?

    Positives: He has two top-5s in his last three starts. He ranks 32nd in saves, 41st in GIR and 64th in putting (for a 47th "weighted rank"). He's made 14 of 21 cuts which isn't great but as good or better than most of the guys around him. His father flew him over to Scotland when he was a kid to play links golf, and he sounds very confident about his current form in that article.

    Negatives: He's coming off an 88th place finish in the Greenbrier. He's never played in the Open. He recently made the switch from a belly putter (although he fired a 62 in his first round without it and said he was surprised at how quickly he's adjusted).

    I think he's worth a shot in at least one lineup.
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