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Aruba Blackjack

Joey KnishJoey Knish Senior Member
edited April 2014 in Sports Betting
Have posted some observations in the past and wanted to add some things from this year's trip:

1. On Day 1 I hit a 12 vs. dealer's 3 and drew a bunch of ooh's and aah's from the others at the table especially when the dealer broke. One person patiently explained to me that I took the dealer's bust card. Over the next several rounds I saw one of them stay on a soft 16 and try to double on 20. Another guy split 8's twice but refused the final time because "it has been mathematically proven that splitting three times is a guaranteed loser." The same guy doubled a 7 against a 10 and lost, looked at me and said, "It's so frustrating to play the right way but still lose."

2. Day 3 a guy tried to add $10 on top of his original bet after getting an 18. After the dealer said he couldn't do that he mumbled something about being able to do it after one card. Sure enough, on the next round, he got a 10 on his first card. Before he received his second card, he again tried to put $10 more on his bet. After being told he couldn't do that either, he left the table frustrated.

3. Day 5 I'm at third base with a 15, dealer has a 10 showing, and the guy to my right has a 16. He waves off and I catch a 6 for a 21. Dealer flips another face for a 20. Guy to my right starts agonizing over why he didn't take a hit. He kept saying "I should've taken that six, I should gotten that six." Finally the dealer pointed out the 6 would have given him 22. He looked at me and rolled his eyes like the dealer was crazy.

There are several very playable games on this beautiful island. The downtown casino with its dealer no hole card takes a while to get used to but the penetration is incredible. A couple other places have shit games but it is pretty easy to find a good game to finance your vacation.
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  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    I guess you didn't get the word of Alabama's official boycott of Aruba? Don't feel bad, not many others did either. The Hollaway's are pissed with the way the investigation of their daughter's disappearance went.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited April 2014
    Well it was a blonde white girl from America. Shouldn't the world stop what they are doing and look for her ?
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    3. Day 5 I'm at third base with a 15, dealer has a 10 showing, and the guy to my right has a 16. He waves off and I catch a 6 for a 21. Dealer flips another face for a 20. Guy to my right starts agonizing over why he didn't take a hit. He kept saying "I should've taken that six, I should gotten that six." Finally the dealer pointed out the 6 would have given him 22. He looked at me and rolled his eyes like the dealer was crazy.

    what limit did you play at this table?
  • Joey KnishJoey Knish Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    what limit did you play at this table?

    That was a $10 table. You see mostly $10 or $25 in Aruba. There a few $50 and an occasional $100 tables but not many.
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    One more ? if you don't mind.. This guy next to you that claimed he should of taken the 6 how much longer did he stay at this same table?
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    Vice-consul for the USA disappeared here on Curacao a couple of years ago when he went running. Found his phone, found a knife, but never his body. Not a word on the news in the States. I guess a underage drinking and drugging girl is more newsworthy than a gay (or Bi) vice-consul. US news networks stink.
  • Joey KnishJoey Knish Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    One more ? if you don't mind.. This guy next to you that claimed he should of taken the 6 how much longer did he stay at this same table?

    Not sure. I think for a couple more shoes.
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    Joey Knish wrote: »
    That was a $10 table. You see mostly $10 or $25 in Aruba. There a few $50 and an occasional $100 tables but not many.

    $10 to $300 and $25 to $500 those are the more standard tables on Aruba and Curacao.
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    Joey Knish wrote: »
    Not sure. I think for a couple more shoes.

    You do realize what would of happened if he took the six, right?
  • Joey KnishJoey Knish Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    Yes. I'm glad I got paid. Sometimes bad play helps you. My point was simply that he didn't realize the six would have busted him. Sorry I posted it.
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    I'm glad you won, but next time you see someone like that at a table get up and walk away, because in the long run there is no way you will beat the house with a person like that playing at the table. He was there for a reason.
  • JafarJafar Banned
    edited April 2014
    underwraps wrote: »
    I'm glad you won, but next time you see someone like that at a table get up and walk away, because in the long run there is no way you will beat the house with a person like that playing at the table. He was there for a reason.

    Umm wtf are you talking about?
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    Jafar wrote: »
    Umm wtf are you talking about?
    Jafar, you know too much especially after everyone here seen what you recommended Golfer to do.
    Sorry no lessons for you..your to smart
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    underwraps wrote: »
    I'm glad you won, but next time you see someone like that at a table get up and walk away, because in the long run there is no way you will beat the house with a person like that playing at the table. He was there for a reason.

    Professional Black Jack players correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there is no relationship between somebody playing suboptimal Basic Strategy at your table and your own win-expectancy if you are applying the strategy correctly. I believe I read this in Norm Wattenberger's book.
  • Joey KnishJoey Knish Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    I'm glad you won, but next time you see someone like that at a table get up and walk away, because in the long run there is no way you will beat the house with a person like that playing at the table. He was there for a reason.
    Thanks for the advice. Do you have something substantial that shows "there is no way" I can win with a person like that at the table? Everything I read when learning to count cards was that bad play had no effect on my ROI. Has that changed?
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    Joey Knish wrote: »
    Thanks for the advice. Do you have something substantial that shows "there is no way" I can win with a person like that at the table? Everything I read when learning to count cards was that bad play had no effect on my ROI. Has that changed?

    Your correct it has no effect as long as the bad play is honest bad play. I just don't trust any of these casinos located in the Caribbean.
  • adrianmeinhadrianmeinh Member
    edited April 2014
    I'm glad you won, but next time you see someone like that at a table get up and walk away, because in the long run there is no way you will beat the house with a person like that playing at the table. He was there for a reason.

    can someone explain this statement to me please?
    the cards have no memory and unless you are counting them which the OP did not mention. I think wherther or not another player is playing OPTIMAL StRATEGY is NeGLIGIBLE statistically... closer to zero than one percent diff if it is a 6 deck game
  • adrianmeinhadrianmeinh Member
    edited April 2014
    further,
    to posit that he is a plant, "he's there for a reason"..
    TIN HAT MUCH???

    playing bad strategy to mess up the flow of the game?
    that CANT be done ..
    that is voodoo talk there,
    is your theory that it going to affect the "TABLE MOJO" of something?
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    underwraps wrote: »
    Your correct it has no effect as long as the bad play is honest bad play. I just don't trust any of these casinos located in the Caribbean.

    Have you actually played them? Don't know about other islands, but you can find a very beatable game here in Curacao and Aruba too according to Joey.
  • JafarJafar Banned
    edited April 2014
    The only thing I could think of is if a cooler is there to eat high cards in plus counts and abstain from negative. That's obviously not happening. Retarded to even dedicate another minute to the idea.
  • JafarJafar Banned
    edited April 2014
    underwraps wrote: »
    Jafar, you know too much especially after everyone here seen what you recommended Golfer to do.
    Sorry no lessons for you..your to smart

    I stand by my advice lol
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    playing bad strategy to mess up the flow of the game?
    that CANT be done ..
    that is voodoo talk there,
    is your theory that it going to affect the "TABLE MOJO" of something?

    This has nothing to do with bad strategy, voodoo, or tin foil.
    Iv'e seen things done at casinos that most here will never see if they lived 10 x over
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    Jafar wrote: »
    The only thing I could think of is if a cooler is there to eat high cards in plus counts and abstain from negative. That's obviously not happening. Retarded to even dedicate another minute to the idea.

    NO a cooler is not needed, but your getting hotter.
  • adrianmeinhadrianmeinh Member
    edited April 2014
    do you have a list of them? that would be interesting reading.... help a newbie out, bro!

    i was just talking math...
    its my crutch

    that and logic

    oh, and witty rejoinders...
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    Adrian, I totally understand what your saying and i wouldn't want to deter someone from doing something that's been working in their favor.
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    http://www.qfit.com/book/

    Hope this is what your looking for

    Don Schlesinger's 'BlackJack Attack' is also compulsory reading.
  • TotallyTiltTotallyTilt Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    On the subject of Aruba gambling:

    I was in a casino maybe 5 years ago where the Ultimate Bet Aruba World Poker Tour event used to be held (can't remember the name of the casino). Two Americans were playing roulette and had a sizable amount of money bet on the spin. The dealer spun the wheel and the roulette ball got caught between two numbers in the wheel and never actually landed in one. The dealer swept all the bets off the table. American guys go crazy naturally and demand to speak with the manager. The manager or someone pretending to be the manager comes over and says it stands, everyone loses. After several more minutes of arguing and threats, the "manager" crosses his arms and keeps repeating "Aruba Rules". That pretty much ended my casino gambling in Aruba.
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    TotallyTilt wrote: »
    On the subject of Aruba gambling:

    I was in a casino maybe 5 years ago where the Ultimate Bet Aruba World Poker Tour event used to be held (can't remember the name of the casino). Two Americans were playing roulette and had a sizable amount of money bet on the spin. The dealer spun the wheel and the roulette ball got caught between two numbers in the wheel and never actually landed in one. The dealer swept all the bets off the table. American guys go crazy naturally and demand to speak with the manager. The manager or someone pretending to be the manager comes over and says it stands, everyone loses. After several more minutes of arguing and threats, the "manager" crosses his arms and keeps repeating "Aruba Rules". That pretty much ended my casino gambling in Aruba.

    The casinos have to abide by rules. Take this to the Aruba Gaming Commission and said Casino is in trouble. That was clearly a no-roll. Unless the guys had been counting and winning before at the Black Jack table and had irritated the supervising staff.
  • BeardedTacoBeardedTaco Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    best part of Aruba is not the gambling in the tourist area

    its on the other side of the island in a little town called San Nicolas

    a must see attraction for the single male :thumbup:
  • TotallyTiltTotallyTilt Senior Member
    edited April 2014
    If it was me, I think I would of given the gaming commission a shot. Seeing how corrupt and basically useless some of the gaming commissions are/were in regard to poker sites though, I wouldn't go in with high hopes.
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