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Baltimore feds target Internet gambling

EscootEscoot Senior Member
edited May 2011 in Sports Betting
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-internet-gambling-20110523,0,2199567.story?page=1

Two Internet gambling businesses and their international owners were indicted by a Maryland federal grand jury as part of a lengthy, undercover investigation, details of which were released Monday after 11 associated bank accounts were seized in five countries and 10 Web domain names were shut down...The agency set up a phony payment processing business in Atlantic City and spent two years infiltrating the world of illegal online betting.

Agents ultimately handled more than $33 million in transactions and uncovered a thriving criminal community in Maryland and beyond: "There are numerous individuals in Maryland who have authorized payments to these [foreign] businesses," claims one agent's sworn affidavit, filed with court records.


Phony payment processing company found here: http://paymentprocessingsolutions.com/index.html
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  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited May 2011
    Not good.
  • dtrain11dtrain11 Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    Is this the beginning of the end, or is there something about our major outs (CRIS, etc) that makes them different?
  • originalokieoriginalokie Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    Please do not leave large amounts in any one place for a while!!!

    BEST
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited May 2011
    Boomaker.com is one of the siezed domains from this. Will have to see how this all plays out.
  • dtrain11dtrain11 Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    Thanks Ed, just saw this when rereading.

    As part of the case, 10 Internet sites were seized under a court order, including Bookmaker.com and Truepoker.com.
  • originalokieoriginalokie Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    Saw that - They took my plays tonight and are sending some funds

    BEST

    Supposed to
  • HowardBealHowardBeal Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    RightAngle wrote: »
    Boomaker.com is one of the siezed domains from this. Will have to see how this all plays out.

    sounds scary.....are they affiliated with Bookmaker?
  • dtrain11dtrain11 Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    The difference here is this is just Maryland and not the US government? This whole poker/sportsbook crackdown is such a misguided effort its not even funny
  • StrangeKatStrangeKat Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    Damn now this is a true chickenshit attack......I have to see proof of these so called claims of these monies supporting organized crime or terror, they say this shit all the time....These people are entreprenuers out to make money...I highly doubt they support terror...i want to see documented proof that these companies are linked with crime, not just that they say they are...
  • utixutix Banned
    edited May 2011
    StrangeKat wrote: »
    Damn now this is a true chickenshit attack......I have to see proof of these so called claims of these monies supporting organized crime or terror, they say this shit all the time....These people are entreprenuers out to make money...I highly doubt they support terror...i want to see documented proof that these companies are linked with crime, not just that they say they are...

    It's illegal, of course they are linked with crime.
  • utixutix Banned
    edited May 2011
    HowardBeal wrote: »
    sounds scary.....are they affiliated with Bookmaker?

    Classic! You never fail to make me laugh
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited May 2011
    Statement from Bookmaker:

    As you may already know, Bookmaker has temporarily lost the rights to the Bookmaker.com domain. We are confident that in time, it will be returned to us, until then, we have launched a new, temporary site:www.bmaker.ag.

    Despite having lost the domain, none of the business operations have otherwise been affected. Player account balances and information are safe and secure. Effective immediately, players can log on to www.bmaker.ag.and it's business as usual.

    You likely won't notice any other changes at all and will experience all the same features and benefits as our original site; just on a new address.

    We sincerely apologize if you were affected by our interruption. As always, if you have any questions or concerns please call our customer service department at 1-866-9Bookmaker.
  • kass101kass101 Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    After reading the article I would say that this may be the end for Bookmaker.com in the USA and I would get my money out if I had any in them but in regards to other sites run by different companies I dont think it will have any effect on them except for maybe tightening their deposit practices, again this all has come about because of people depositing using credit cards.
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited May 2011
    kass101 wrote: »
    After reading the article I would say that this may be the end for Bookmaker.com in the USA and I would get my money out if I had any in them but in regards to other sites run by different companies I dont think it will have any effect on them except for maybe tightening their deposit practices, again this all has come about because of people depositing using credit cards.

    Just curious, what do you think sets Bookmaker apart? Also, they (well, CRIS) own two of the other sites from that list (Betmaker and DSI).
  • kass101kass101 Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    Goats wrote: »
    Just curious, what do you think sets Bookmaker apart? Also, they (well, CRIS) own two of the other sites from that list (Betmaker and DSI).


    I dont think anything sets them apart I just think they were unlucky enough to use the fake processor and thus got caught, This sting just like the poker crackdown came about because of the payment processors. A site like TheGreek who doesnt allow US customers to deposit by CC should have nothing to worry about because there is no way to track the flow of money from the USA to their site which is how they catch the sites.
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited May 2011
    kass101 wrote: »
    I dont think anything sets them apart I just think they were unlucky enough to use the fake processor and thus got caught, This sting just like the poker crackdown came about because of the payment processors. A site like TheGreek who doesnt allow US customers to deposit by CC should have nothing to worry about because there is no way to track the flow of money from the USA to their site which is how they catch the sites.

    Gotcha, fair enough.
  • giraffegiraffe Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    bodog is next?
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited May 2011
    At this point any website offering online gambling to U.S. customers could be next.

    In general, you'd expect the larger, more reputable, and financially stable sites (i.e. Bookmaker) to make an effort to stay in business and/or find a way to pay off all customers who are owed, but such scenarios are probably less likely with the smaller, lesser known outfits. As with anything there are no guarantees and everyone should manage balances and accounts accordingly.
  • BigJoeyBigJoey Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    RightAngle wrote: »
    At this point any website offering online gambling to U.S. customers could be next.

    In general, you'd expect the larger, more reputable, and financially stable sites (i.e. Bookmaker) to make an effort to stay in business and/or find a way to pay off all customers who are owed, but such scenarios are probably less likely with the smaller, lesser known outfits. As with anything there are no guarantees and everyone should manage balances and accounts accordingly.

    ed, i got to thank you for being so honest on your opp. about this. i see on other sites, site owners lying about the whole situation to the posters just thinking about tha advertise bucks. make me sick to hear some of the excuses these people are using.
  • Wurzz03Wurzz03 Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    What kind of advice/input would you have regarding withdrawing now or is it too late? I wouldnt need to withdraw all of it, but I have been on a tear and was contemplating it anyway. Too late, or might now be the time. I am talking a withdrawal from bookmaker, the rest of my accounts are lower balances..
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited May 2011
    All you can do is try? I'd expect you would receive it, but there could be some delays due to potential "run on the bank" and lost processors.
  • LivandbelleLivandbelle Member
    edited May 2011
    It appears the best places to play will be the locals and mirror BIG BOOK outs......... (which are typically clueless to PRO's)............no depositing, full credit, higher limits...........Just not the early week betting as offered by the major outfits...........
  • bucky20bucky20 Junior Member
    edited May 2011
    Anybody know if I am screwed with BetEd?
  • lumpy19lumpy19 Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    Wurzz03 wrote: »
    What kind of advice/input would you have regarding withdrawing now or is it too late? I wouldnt need to withdraw all of it, but I have been on a tear and was contemplating it anyway. Too late, or might now be the time. I am talking a withdrawal from bookmaker, the rest of my accounts are lower balances..

    Another thought on this, if the money is important to you make the withdrawal request but if you want to gamble in the future I would not recommend withdrawing. I think we'll soon be back to the days of cashiers checks in fedex envelopes which isn't that difficult but certainly isn't as "instant" as what we have now in the US.
  • MikeRASMikeRAS Senior Handicapper
    edited May 2011
    It may be just rumor but BetEd supposedly had the most money confiscated which if is the case would make it seem unlikely they are financially solvant right now.
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited May 2011
    MikeRAS wrote: »
    It may be just rumor but BetEd supposedly had the most money confiscated which if is the case would make it seem unlikely they are financially solvant right now.

    I read the same story, and while I've never personally used BetEd and don't know much about them, based on the story, if true I would tend to agree with you.
  • lebron23lebron23 Banned
    edited May 2011
    DSI.. new website is www.betdsi.com
  • sh35109sh35109 Banned
    edited May 2011
    couple of questions
    1) are they ever going to try to crack down on individuals like us who send money through the processors to the books?

    2) there will always be moneygram/WU deposits... those are fairly instant and are my preference
  • kass101kass101 Senior Member
    edited May 2011
    sh35109 wrote: »
    couple of questions
    1) are they ever going to try to crack down on individuals like us who send money through the processors to the books?

    2) there will always be moneygram/WU deposits... those are fairly instant and are my preference

    1. They have shown no interest so far in cracking down on US citizens who are involved and even with the poker crackdown the feds worked with the sites to facilitate the payment of players. I know in regards to the law here in Washington in that they have specifically stated that they have no interest in going after the players.

    2. This is what I have been saying from the start of this is that I would expect most of the sites who are smart to go specifically to WU/Moneygram for deposits and remove the other options as those are the ones that have the ability to get these sites caught.
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited May 2011
    sh35109 wrote: »
    couple of questions
    1) are they ever going to try to crack down on individuals like us who send money through the processors to the books?

    2) there will always be moneygram/WU deposits... those are fairly instant and are my preference

    1) Very unlikely, but certainly no guarantees. In other words, no lawyer is going to promise your safety.

    2) Only effective for smaller deposits/withdrawals.
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