ras and dr bob
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both move the lines both are honest in a scumb packed buisness both will go through rough times like edward is right now..dr bobs 55 % and edwards 57 % will have losing streaks but will never give you nothing less than 100 %.and will always come back on top. if anybody knows anybody ealse even close to those chateristics please drop me a line
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jakenhl for one and there are plenty more.
Dr. Bob is far, far from break even over the last 4/5 years...if you know what I mean
I thought he had struggled for awhile. I guess I haven't been paying attention.
He either means Bob is personally ahead from subscription fees or from betting the opposite side to middle after the lines move. But his combined football and basketball record is listed as breakeven from 2006 through last season so a follower would be doing no better than breakeven since it's almost impossible to get better than his lines, and followers could well be doing worse if they had to take a worse line.
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Dr Bob has made me money over the last decade. Lincecrusher has made me money over the last decade.
You need large sample sizes. Since 2006 doesn't neccessarrily mean he stinks. I can honestly say that over the last 15 + years both of these services afar ahead.
Can you clarify this? Do you mean that he made you money prior to 2006, or are you disputing that he was only breakeven the last five years? Because if that is the case, maybe, just maybe, he has "lost" it.
4 years is a huge sample size. He's had roughly 3000 CFB games to choose from, 1100 NFL games, 5000 NBA games, and I don't even know how many CBB games but it's probably around 10,000. With something like 20,000 games played in his sports over that time period it's a huge sample size.
The larger issue is that 2006 was not chosen randomly has "the year Dr Bob started losing." 2006 was the year he got himself on ESPN and many other programs touting himself as a sports betting genius. I've read the forums for years and I didn't even hear of Dr Bob until maybe 2005. Once you call attention to yourself people start looking into your methods and reverse engineering them and such. Not to mention that sports betting markets have gotten significantly tighter since then as more people learn to model. I could spend hours writing about methods that worked in 2003 that don't work today.
Of course a handicapper can adjust to changing times but when a guy like Dr Bob spends many many paragraphs writing about all his bad beats and how he should have been 57% instead of 51% if the bad beats hadn't happened, that just strikes me as a guy who's more concerned with making excuses than improving his methods.
I can completely understand that no one wants to hear anyone whine about bad beats, or why they are doing everything right but still not winning. But the flip side is we are completely in the dark as to why Edward does the things he does. Is one that much better than the other? Aren't you at least somewhat interested as to why last year RAS had roughly 70 half time plays and this year it's 35? Were there really 1/2 as many good spots this year compared to last? You'd think that might be a great spot for an adjustment to be made since totals came out so late this year.
The service is down roughly 24 units since 1/12/11. A little after that time totals and sides were available on almost every game, so where did the advantage go? One would think when we had more games to pick from we would start doing better, not the case though.
RAS brought Dmoney on board this year to consult, or whatever you want to call it. He is a savant when it comes to CBB, many believe on Edwards level if not higher, but the results aren't there which seem backwards. Is Edward using Dmoney for plays, just info, not at all, etc? We have no idea because Ed does a very good job of keeping everything in house and that might be why he has held an advantage until this year.
Have books paid special attention to the teams that RAS plays year in and year out. It seems as if he has a small subset of teams that he beats the books with and it would be wise for the books to pay a little more attention to those teams to cut down his chances. Maybe that happened this year, or maybe Edward just has a bad read on those teams and since he plays them over and over the advantage isn't there. Maybe it's all just short term (300 plays) variance. If 3% of the games had went the other way and we were looking at +20 units instead of +/-0 would we all be here talking about this?
Or, RAS had a couple of good years, maybe positive variance years, and we all took turns going down on him a little too early. Maybe this year is just a hair under typical results and the last few years were abnormal. Maybe he had a exceptional read on his subset of teams with the current players they had and it paid off. Maybe that group is gone and he is back to years like 2003-2006 where he made a combined 11.7 units (if you got the line every play, and we all know you didn't)
I don't believe in the following theory, but it's been widely discussed in different circles I frequent. Maybe Ed realized that the books are making it harder and harder each year, and another year of beating their brains in might cause them to do away with CBB totals on non TV games all together. So if he wants to continue his service at the numbers he does, he throws away a year to slow the train down. It makes complete sense if you consider the fact that he will probably lose very few customers next year even if he stays around break even for this year, and the books might not make any additional adjustments based off his performance. If you believe in this conspiracy, you must also take into account that Ed isn't necessarily playing these plays. He could be playing completely different plays, or the opposite side of these plays after the line movement (possibly contributing to the reverse line movement). Therefore, still winning money for himself, while keeping the masses from jumping off a bridge with break even results (if you got the opening line, which we all know you didn't). As I stated, this is pretty far out there and I don't personally believe he would do this, but I'm sure you all didn't think he was selling his plays to other players before release a few years ago either and he admitted to that.
Either way, Ed will keep being Ed, BT will keep being BT, and post like this will spring up weekly either giving out blowjobs or cocking guns in mouths. Ed is a damn genius either way
Please stop touting LineCrusher. This is at least the third time in the past two weeks I've seen you promote him. I subscribed to his service and he routinely released lines that were not available hours prior to his release at ANY major offshore sportsbook.
Are you saying you are down .5 units using Ras this year?
I played RAS along with a few other people and another service. I ran 20k to 80k about the time RAS hit a high point. I had another player that also hit a high point about the same time so it was a short period of time of betting more money and winning at a very high rate. I'm back down to under 20k now and plugging along. I knew there would be massive swings based on the %s that I was betting. When I started I was willing to throw this 20k away if it didn't work and that might very well be what is going to happen.
Something to think about is totals should be being played for more than sides, so +13 on side and -13 on totals isn't anywhere close to break even. To be fair though, the same thing can be said for last year. +44 in totals and and +17 in sides should be a hell of a lot more than +61 all together.
Yes and no. It's not a matter of which I can get down more on, it's can I get down more on totals than I want to get down on sides. I can max bet sides for more than totals, but that's not really my concern. It's only betting the %s that I want to.
I think Edward himself says totals should be played for about twice as much as sides. Obviously betting them the same would have saved you alot of money this year thus far, but you left a ton of money on the table if you used the same strategy the last 3 years.
As mentioned above, betting totals for twice as much as sides is not really an option for some. It all depends on outs and desired bet amounts. Some people are able to bet what they want on sides but are forced to grab whatever they can on totals, which skews the desired ratio.
I'd like to bet NFL player props larger than just about anything I bet, but the market doesn't allow it.
sounds about right, maybe our 2 locals can get together and get that lambo!
We have not been in negative units this late in the season in five years. It was inevitable that it would happen, but no one expected it to be this year. We are doing everything we can to get positive results. With as talented and experienced as our team is, I would not want my money on anyone else's plays more.
As for the fewer second half plays this year, the number of 2H totals was limited by market availability until just a few weeks ago, and we will always tend to have fewer 2H plays when the service is not performing well, which was rarely the case last year.
One final correction to the post by utix. We never sold our plays to other players before release. For about 6 weeks in 2009, we entered into a partnership with people who were supposed to help us bet on our own plays without moving the lines. The people turned out to not be on the up and up, and we ended it. Chalk it up as a learning experience for us. When the story hit the forums, there was rampant speculation, and it continues to this day. Let me be clear that no one outside of myself, Mike, and Craig is privy to our information before it is released and we are not nor have we ever been in "cahoots" with any sportsbooks.
Same thing for Dr bob, sometimes I can't get his lines either because they move. In those cases I don't play them. No excuses no promoting. I have said countless times there are only 3 paid services that are legit: Dr Bob, Linecrusher, and Right Angle. (Of those I have used, and I have used alot of them!)
Ra does anyone from the forum work for you besides the guys you mentioned? How about with the college football?