So how with the HOF screw up today?
BigKahuna
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Lots of great names today.
Maddux will he get 100% vote? He should but won't, because of some ignorant writer.
Glavine should get in, I have a hunch they keep him out.
Frank Thomas incredible numbers should also go in, I don't think they vote him in the first time.
Biggio , how the hell does he not got in ? They voted Ryan Sandberg in, who would you rather have as a 2nd baseman ?
I have lost all faith in the HOF when my favorite player Ricky Henderson was not on every writers ballot.
Interested to see how bad this gets screwed up today.
Also interesting to see if Bonds gets more votes then last year or not, hope Clemens never gets in.
Maddux will he get 100% vote? He should but won't, because of some ignorant writer.
Glavine should get in, I have a hunch they keep him out.
Frank Thomas incredible numbers should also go in, I don't think they vote him in the first time.
Biggio , how the hell does he not got in ? They voted Ryan Sandberg in, who would you rather have as a 2nd baseman ?
I have lost all faith in the HOF when my favorite player Ricky Henderson was not on every writers ballot.
Interested to see how bad this gets screwed up today.
Also interesting to see if Bonds gets more votes then last year or not, hope Clemens never gets in.
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Absolutely agree.
My main wish is that Walker doesn't fall off the ballot, which could be close. I don't know if I'd vote for him or not (I lean yes), but he's definitely close enough that he deserves a few more years of consideration rather than falling off now. I thought it was pretty disgraceful Lofton fell off so quickly last year, and same with Lou Whitaker when it happened to him.
I think a very interesting barometer to see what the future holds is how many more votes Bonds and Clemens receive, or do they stay the same.
The large number of guys on the ballot, i think its 35 or 36, is also really interesting. Will it cause guys who deserve to at least stay on the ballot get knocked off?
Maddux won't be 100%, someone already admitted to leaving him off. Some idiot put 1 guy on his vote, Jack Morris. If Maddux can't be the 100%'er, we will have to wait until Mike Trout(at his current pace and as long as he doesn't piss someone off, the old guard should be dead by then). The guy is one of the few to have no enemies and put up eye popping numbers no matter what you look at, in an offensive era.
The Lou Whitaker vote was a joke. Does anyone alive back then think there was that much difference, if any, between Whitaker and Sandberg? One gets in, one doesn't come close. Whether you believe he should be in or not is one thing(I do), but to fall off the ballot for lack of votes is a joke.
I rode the Ron Santo wagon until he got in, now I am on Edgar Martinez's wagon. I don't care if all he did was hit, he did it as well or better than everyone in his era. He was a hitting freak. He was a good fielder before his injury and could have played in the field as well/better than most of the glorified DH's running around out there after the injury. I know he won't get in until he goes to the Veteran's committee, but he shouldn't have to wait.
If you guys had a vote. Would anyone ever vote for McGriff?
That idiot missed the fact that Maddux and Morris's careers overlapped by NINE YEARS. Morris had an 18 year career, fully half of which overlapped with Maddux's career. So why blame an presumably innocent player rather than the powers that be who turned a blind eye to everything? Oh right, because that writer is employed by MLB and Bud Selig signs his paycheck. Disgraceful hypocrisy.
Larry Walker - In my view never gets in, he played in a PED field (Coors field), might hurt Helton also. The discrepancy between home and away stats for him are far too great, to be taken as a legitimate HOF.
What about Lee Smith - not in and could go off this year ? More saves then Goose. Crying shame, he was scary good in his prime.
Referring to McGriff as anything but CrimeDog is an injustice.
I love the Crime Dog. He's borderline for me. I wouldn't mind if he got in but I don't think he will. I'd definitely consider voting for him depending on the year and who is on the ballot. My 10 player ballot this year would be:
Maddux
Glavine
Thomas
Martinez
Raines
Biggio
Bonds
Bagwell
Clemens(fucking hate him too but if I don't put him on for that, it makes me a hypocrite)
#10. Normal year, would flip coins between Morris, Trammell and McGriff. Since it is the last year for Morris, I go with him.
I like your 10, but I don't take Bagwell. I put in Lee Smith.
Also very much share your opinion on Martinez, being an A's fan (west coast guy) , I saw him just rake the ball for years. Fun to watch and a prince of a guy, I mean prince. You would think you were having a beer with your buddies, thats how he made you feel.
I'm a homer, but disagree. If you don't like Bagwell because you think he juiced, that's one thing. By numbers, though, he's a career .300 hitter (career .408 OBP!) with 449 HR (37 all time), 1529 RBI (47 all time), 200 SB and an MVP. There are people with much, much worse numbers in the hall.
Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and Frank Thomas will be inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame on July 27. Maddux and Glavine, a pair of 300-game winners who pitched the bulk of their careers for the Braves, were the favorites, but the 571 voters outdid themselves by also adding Thomas. It was the first time since 1999, when Robin Yount, Nolan Ryan and George Brett were elected, that the writers put three first-time eligibles into the Hall.
Raines is my choice for the next Santo/Blyleven stathead cause. He was about as valuable as Gwynn (BR and FG WAR have them about equal, and BP has Raines about 9 runs better), but Gwynn's value was in the traditional making contact/high batting average, whereas Raines's value was in undervalued areas like taking walks and baserunning.
The argument in favor of Nomo that some people advanced was that he was the first Japanese player to play regularly (there were a couple guys for the Giants in the 60s but I dont know if they ever played, and if they did they didn't play much), so he deserved consideration for paving the way for all of the other Asian superstars. It's not an argument I would make, but there's at least some logic behind it, and I don't mind the idea of considering people for the HOF who were pioneers in some way.
If I had a ballot, mine would look a lot like Stevie's, except that I would have found room for Mussina, and I don't like Morris at all. I think Trammell is very deserving, so I probably would have had to do something game theoretical and remove someone in the middle, probably Bonds or Clemens since they had no shot of getting elected and no shot of falling off the ballot.
There's a game theoretical argument to be made that with only 10 votes, it makes sense to leave someone off who's going to be elected anyway. I don't know if any of the voters actually did that, but I saw saber-types advocate that approach.
Maybe this has been asked already, if so, I missed it, but are you going to post plays once MLB season comes around?
Or any other sport?
Anyways, appreciate your insights,
Greetz,
Obi
He averaged 37 HOMERS, 120 RBI, 95 RUNS, 38 DOUBLES, and hit . 300. 5 silver sluggers, 5 all stars, and 5 top 10 MVP finishes. not bad.
Lots of people hear his name and immediately think "guy who corked his bat in the steroid era"