A small disgusting piece from the Grand Jury Report...
odiecab
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March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.
March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.
March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director, to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.
March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.
March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director, to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.
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Keep in mind his 'kid' was 28 at the time he witnessed this.......
No shit, eh?
Could someone please explain to me why the "kid" didn't kick the living shit out of Sandusky?
Exactly, why did he witness it and then just walk away. I don't care how small I was, I'd grab a chair or something. That 28 year old should be shunned as well.
How can you respct a guy like that...............
Paterno did what he was supposed to do. He did not witness it. He did not know if it was true. He told his boss. It's not Joe's job to investigate this or call the cops given he did not see it. He gave the info to the people at the university who run these types of investigations. I think he could have followed up though and asked about the outcome.
A ninth victim came forward on Monday and more are expected.
At no point in the indictment does it state that. The only references to Paterno are with victim #2. If it turns out that he did know about all of these incidents and was a "serial enabler", then he should be facing punishment. However you're not going off of facts (unless you have facts that the Grand Jury did not have).
Story keeps getting crazier, a lof people are going to be going down and going to jail, and I wouldn't be surprised if paterno is charged with actual crimes before its all said and done.
Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden
In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.
On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.
What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.
"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.
"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"
Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.
"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."
After reading the grand jury report they should ALL hang: Sandusky, Paterno, Curley, the "grad asst," HIS father, the janitors...all of them.
Anyone with the slightest knowledge should be held accountable.
I will not accept any excuse for not coming forward: loyalty, money, fear, friendship, cowardace, power, etc.
Imagine YOUR defenseless & scared ten year old son being in that situation with Sandusky.
THEY ARE ALL GUILTY.
--Wynn
Wynn I have a ten year old and can't agee with you more...
WTF
I just really hope that if I'm ever accused of a crime, I'll have the chance to defend myself (or even at least speak about the charges) before everyone has already determined my fate. This isn't a PSU thing for me (though it certainly hits closer to home than any other case), as I've always felt this way, whether it was Ohio State, Cam Newton, Duke Lacrosse, or any other criminal matter. I don't see the need to rush to judgement. It seems pretty clear that Sandusky is guilty (and then some), but myslef (and others that I've spoken with) have an issue with the fact that the BOT has fired JoePa (who was praised by the Grand Jury for his credible testamony) while at the same time keeping Tim Curley (who is charged with perjury) on the payroll (and not only that, also paying his legal fees).
There was a huge breakdown here, however I'll wait until more facts come in before I'll determine who exactly is guilty. That's true whether this is about a football coach, a family member, or a complete stranger. We still live in the United States, don't we? You're worried about "moral character" of PSU grads, while others are posting that everyone involved should be hung and it completely goes unchallenged. Interested world that we live in today.
"Waiting for more information" is a copout. You need more facts? Really? Perhaps if you are a member of the jury, determining guilt or innocence, that would be true. Maybe or maybe not they are enough to get him convicted. But if you don't understand the facts are plenty enough to get him fired, I would suggest that you should read the grand jury report again. Read the parts about the crime Joe knew about and didn't immediately call the police. Then ask yourself, if that was your child, would you still believe he should not be fired and prosecuted? Then we leave it up to the courts and juries to decide. That's how it works. But not even being charged is ridiculous.
I'm not "worried" about the moral character of PSU grads. Their character is showing plenty for themselves when they speak on tv, march in the streets and write on message boards.
If I heard not only a colleague but a friend was assraping my neighbors kid even if it was, dude, Johnny up the street heard you were being blown by a 3rd grader. Is that true? I am sure it's not, but maybe go all to Johnnys dad about it or at least be aware it might be in the newsletter.
Charging someone with a crime is not a trivial matter. It is the grand jury in this case that decided who got charges filed against them. Have you read the appropriate Penn Code regarding Mandatory reporting? As an attorney I personally do not think you could charge Paterno under this statute much less convict him. I think a lot more will come out and I know it wont happen but it would be nice if everyone would wait to get the facts before rushing to judgement. That being said it certainly appears that Paterno was far more worried about himself and his legacy than the kids.
Tommy, please don't go with the reverse psychology "if I'm ever accused and don't we live in America" crap. If Jerry Sandusky was laundering money and Joe Paterno wanted to ignore it or stick his head in the sand nobody would care. Instead you have a selfish (still coaching at 84 to obtain records) old man who only cares about his football program. If you are naive enough to believe that Paterno did not know about this stuff than I would be scared to let you cross the street by yourself. If Paterno looked the other way for a second to protect his legacy and program instead of a little kid, he deserves no benefit of any doubt...i don't care what the law says. "I should have done more" I guess to you that is not an admission of his own wrongdoing.
We don't know what Mcquery told Paterno. We just know what Mcquery told the grand jury. I think more facts will surface in the coming days and weeks. Remember Mcquery is the ONLY eye witness. If he was bold enough to do such an act on campus, what did he do to kids alone? Its a sickening thought.
I agree completely that if he looked the other way, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. However, everyone has already made up their mind that he looked the other way. He reported the crime to his boss and the man that ran the University Police force. His statement was "with the benefit of hindsight, I should have done more". Heck yes, he should have done more now that he knows all of the facts. He should have followed up on it and stayed on top of it until someone did something about it.
Saying that "in hindsight, I should have done more", he's admitting that he wished he'd done it differently. Of course it's an admission of wrongdoing, but it's not an admission of commiting a criminal act, or the admission of participating in a coverup. In the end, you all may be right and maybe he'll get charged and spend the rest of his life in jail. I'll wait to hear more facts before making my judgment.
I certainly think Joe should have done a lot, lot more. But since everyone is presenting the facts to be such that he's guilty, I'll offer an alternate opinion...
http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html
That is my point. If you are saying legally he did what he had to, you may very well be right. To me this has nothing to do with him going to jail or being charged criminally. It has to do with someone who had the power to do something about a child being raped, and chose to preserve his program and legacy. That is worse than any law he ever could have broken and he doesn't deserve an ounce of the respect he is getting from PSU fans or anyone else for that matter.
Yes I have. Here it is --
42.42. Suspected child abusemandated reporting requirements.
(a) General rule. Under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6311 (relating to persons required to report suspected child abuse), licensees who, in the course of the employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made to the Department of Public Welfare when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse.
(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d).
As the "person in charge" of the football program, you could absolutely argue that Paterno is required to report under this statute. That the local/state prosecutors didn't seek indictments with the grand jury and went after the AD and VP for perjury rather than mandatory reporting violations says more about the politics in Pa. than it does the prosecutors seeking an indictment under the statute.
And to quote PSU alum again, "The people with the most power, should take the most responsibility." Clearly Paterno was at or near the top of the command chain with anything to do with Penn State and/or the football program.
The key to this is "and who, IN THE COURSE OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT, OCCUPATION or PRACTICE of their profession come into contact with children" and "a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity". This statute specifically contemplates those that are in direct contact with children by virtue of their profession. Further, even if you said he fell under the purview of the statute he is a staff member or licensee and not the individual in charge of the institution and thus he complied with the law by reporting it to his superior. Again, not saying it is ok for Paterno to do what he did but legally a prosecutor has to go by the CURRENT law not what it should be.
Finally, I would presume that there also may be statute of limitations problems.
http://t.co/brj19e8N