Exactly Gator...his 25 clients will eventually be "red flagged" with offshore books which in most cases limit the wager to $100. I may be wrong since it's only 25 but trust me the books will be aware.
Kudos to Edward for giving a shit about his clientele and making this choice....it has become very, very difficult to get down on Edward's totals and he recognizes this.
I would imagine that 99% of the other guys in this business would have kept going with the massive client base to maximize profits as long as possilbe.
Good luck this year Edward...I do hope this works out for you!!
happy for you Ed that you put in the work and effort that lead to such success that you could command such a price. it was also obvious that for you to continue to add clients would just increase the difficulty of anyone getting the line as released (except i found a local that updates lines monthly).
pissed that i am part fo the 85% of your clients priced out of the market, but demand drives prices. i put some time and effort into placing myself in a position to take advantage of RAS this season, but certainly can't come near that price tag, but more power to those that can.
as a small favor, and since you are in the business, can you help direct any of us toward someone with similar results (i don't expect anyone to clear 60% as you do) and that are honest, that may fall into my price range?
ed, i think this a good ideal.this will help eliminate the 90 plus percent of the people who bet 5 and 10 bucks a game { that just like to play for fun} and help move the lines on your plays.this will help the serious players {that want to win} get the right line. good chances i will be contacting you. thanks.
For the customers that bought all packages, football, WNBA and basketball, both sides and totals, its sad that the new structure prices them out of the basketball sides, the product that some cherry picked.
For the 25 that go in for the basketball total package, I think it will still be very hard to place the amounts needed (to recoup the package investment) with various books before getting limits placed or just kicked out of some books. You will need connections with other than the main internet books that most customers use. It will still be just as hard or even harder to place the bets at the right numbers. To make the total package work at the higher price, you will need lots of out and lots of time to make it work.
All that being said, I think the side package with limited totals will still have success. TB
ed, i think this a good ideal.this will help eliminate the 90 plus percent of the people who bet 5 and 10 bucks a game { that just like to play for fun} and help move the lines on your plays.this will help the serious players {that want to win} get the right line. good chances i will be contacting you. thanks.
I really don't think people that subscribe to Eds service bet 5 and 10 bucks a game......also don't believe that 5 or 10 bucks will move a line.....
If people are going to pay 10000.00 for Eds plays, the lines will still move.....so the same people will have to get in fast to get the line Ed posts......early bird gets the worm.....
Like I said before......Ed moves the line......in a sense.....his subscribers move the line and fight amongst themselves to get to the line faster......
So If they pay 10000.00 for this you better believe the line will move just as fast because they are -10000.00 to start so Im sure they will be betting more than 100.00 or 500.00....if you pay that much for the subscription.
grape, there is alot more people playing ras plays then the ones that are paying for them. i beleave there is prob even a few services out there using some of his plays for there own clients.money is not the only reason a line moves, in some cases the amount of bets can move it. seems to me that mainly the offshores are the ones watching his plays and moving the lines compared to vegas books and some locals.
grape, there is alot more people playing ras plays then the ones that are paying for them. i beleave there is prob even a few services out there using some of his plays for there own clients.money is not the only reason a line moves, in some cases the amount of bets can move it. seems to me that mainly the offshores are the ones watching his plays and moving the lines compared to vegas books and some locals.
As an FYI -- the lines move too much and too quickly for any non-subscribers to have any real impact on them......we're talking 5-7 points in a matter of seconds.
i have not kept up with ras cbb totals but let me tell you they still have to play the game and over a 5 year period i dont see anyone hitting more that 55-60% just my opinon good luck
jimmy like i said , i beleave offshore books watch his plays and adjust there lines as soon as they are released. that is why i dont waste my time with them. i wagered many times in vegas and played ras plays 15 mins. after i got them and still got a great line. same goes for some locals i have that dont pull there lines from a offshore book. by ras only giving the plays to 25 people and keeping them out off the offshores hands this got to help people get the right lines. and keep in mind , i for one who bets with a local and how many others, should not impact the line at all.
If your point is that locals and vegas are "widely available" outs, I'm not sure your statement means much to RAS as he doesn't consider those to be "widely available" and I'm sure he isn't creating this new idea with that in mind.
We already see a big difference in line movement when we release an "unscheduled" total play. Yesterday was a perfect example, a Tuesday game, so probably not everyone was expecting a total play to be released, and the line did not move as much as it usually does during our Thursday totals release. So we expect to see a similar effect with only 25 people competing for lines instead of the 200+ doing so last season.
Even if a lot of those people were smaller bettors, when a flood of bets come in on the same game Sportsbooks will react much faster and move the line more dramatically even without a lot of bets actually being placed. When other sportsbooks see this, they copy the line move as well and the whole situation makes it really hard on anyone trying to get down a lot of money.
10,000$ wow how much are these 25 guys betting a game?
The CBB totals service has netted +65 unweighted units the past two seasons. If you use a conservative projection of +20 UNITS for 2009-10, you'd need to average $500 per unit to pay for the service and $1000 per unit to double your investment. When you include 1H bets it is my guess that most people taking advantage of this opportunity will be wagering more than the amounts described above.
Why wouldn't books flag these bettors? If books are worried enough about your plays to purchase them and be ready to go on your typical release times,don't you think they will be smart enough to figure out who's betting your plays? Even if you only have 25 players, don't you think 6 of them will be playing at the same book (bookmaker, 5dimes, thegreek, cris, etc) and when those 6 people place the same exact bets at the same exact time, every single time, the red flag waves.....right?
I'm not sure if books this big care about this amount of bettors/money, but it's all coming in on some random total that they aren't going to be able to even the action no matter the adjustment. I also assume the 25 might bet slightly more than normal due to the fact they are getting a better line than normal and they are already starting out down 10,000 rather than 900
Sorry for the 20 questions, this is just very interesting to me
If you use a conservative projection of +20 UNITS for 2009-10
Also, do you really feel like this is conservative? I feel like you are the best I've ever seen at CBB totals, but I'm not sure even with the new unit structure, that 20+ units is conservative given that last year was the first time your service ever won 20 units in CBB. But maybe you'll be able to give out plays you normally couldn't have with 300 players and it gives you an advantage I'm not considering?
Why wouldn't books flag these bettors? If books are worried enough about your plays to purchase them and be ready to go on your typical release times,don't you think they will be smart enough to figure out who's betting your plays? Even if you only have 25 players, don't you think 6 of them will be playing at the same book (bookmaker, 5dimes, thegreek, cris, etc) and when those 6 people place the same exact bets at the same exact time, every single time, the red flag waves.....right?
I'm not sure if books this big care about this amount of bettors/money, but it's all coming in on some random total that they aren't going to be able to even the action no matter the adjustment. I also assume the 25 might bet slightly more than normal due to the fact they are getting a better line than normal and they are already starting out down 10,000 rather than 900
Sorry for the 20 questions, this is just very interesting to me
Somehow we got by last year with over 200 people having direct access to the plays. I am sure there was a lot of flagging going on, a lot of line movement, a lot of things that alerted the whole world what the plays were, and other factors that made conditions very difficult. All we are trying to do now is improve the conditions, instead of allowing them to get worse. We don't know how much improvement there will be, it all remains to be seen, but we feel that dropping from 200+ to 25 will be a step in the positive direction.
Also, do you really feel like this is conservative? I feel like you are the best I've ever seen at CBB totals, but I'm not sure even with the new unit structure, that 20+ units is conservative given that last year was the first time your service ever won 20 units in CBB. But maybe you'll be able to give out plays you normally couldn't have with 300 players and it gives you an advantage I'm not considering?
Remember the first year of the totals service we still were using 1/2 UNITS, the unweighted unit count for CBB totals was actually +26.4 the first year, and +38.9 units the second year. With a +32.65 average the past two years, I think +20 is at least a fair projection, if not conservative.
would you ever think that in the world of handicapping a day would come where you wouldnt even be able to pay to get handicappers picks?
This has been happening long before I came around. Picks from the winningest handicappers, groups, and syndicates have never been for sale to the public.
We've only had a totals service for the past two seasons. Before that the totals were sprinkled in with the sides, never having more than 11 total plays in any one season.
Over the past two seasons we have had 416 CBB totals and have hit 59.85%.
We've only had a totals service for the past two seasons. Before that the totals were sprinkled in with the sides, never having more than 11 total plays in any one season.
Over the past two seasons we have had 416 CBB totals and have hit 59.85%.
wow. considering just winning around 52% can generate a huge profit if your units are large enough, i can see why people are willing to pay 10k for a season of totals. good luck!
Ed, just be on the lookout for some young entrepreneural guy re-selling your plays and potentially ruining the market. I know you have probably already thought of that.
GLLL ED,i just am wondering in this day of everything is so down talking the economy and stuff like that and was thinking if one invest 10grand with ya,which to me is a lot of cash to me,what would happpen with your clients if u have a bad year??i mean are u going to offer any kind of guarantee if u do not have a winning year or am i missing something cause i must say this is the highest amount i ever seen to invest in a service but i will say if i were going to do it ed i would do it with u as long as i have know u and seen how honest nd good u are at CBB so just was wondering and wish u nothing but the best
glllll geter done peace
hey ed i am willing to pay $12,000 and throw an extra $2,000 to you if you include me in the 25! All i have to do is bet dimes for the first month and then i will have built a huge bankroll and be playing for free. lets win some money this basketball season rightangle!!
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I would imagine that 99% of the other guys in this business would have kept going with the massive client base to maximize profits as long as possilbe.
Good luck this year Edward...I do hope this works out for you!!
happy for you Ed that you put in the work and effort that lead to such success that you could command such a price. it was also obvious that for you to continue to add clients would just increase the difficulty of anyone getting the line as released (except i found a local that updates lines monthly).
pissed that i am part fo the 85% of your clients priced out of the market, but demand drives prices. i put some time and effort into placing myself in a position to take advantage of RAS this season, but certainly can't come near that price tag, but more power to those that can.
as a small favor, and since you are in the business, can you help direct any of us toward someone with similar results (i don't expect anyone to clear 60% as you do) and that are honest, that may fall into my price range?
For the 25 that go in for the basketball total package, I think it will still be very hard to place the amounts needed (to recoup the package investment) with various books before getting limits placed or just kicked out of some books. You will need connections with other than the main internet books that most customers use. It will still be just as hard or even harder to place the bets at the right numbers. To make the total package work at the higher price, you will need lots of out and lots of time to make it work.
All that being said, I think the side package with limited totals will still have success. TB
I really don't think people that subscribe to Eds service bet 5 and 10 bucks a game......also don't believe that 5 or 10 bucks will move a line.....
If people are going to pay 10000.00 for Eds plays, the lines will still move.....so the same people will have to get in fast to get the line Ed posts......early bird gets the worm.....
Like I said before......Ed moves the line......in a sense.....his subscribers move the line and fight amongst themselves to get to the line faster......
So If they pay 10000.00 for this you better believe the line will move just as fast because they are -10000.00 to start so Im sure they will be betting more than 100.00 or 500.00....if you pay that much for the subscription.
As an FYI -- the lines move too much and too quickly for any non-subscribers to have any real impact on them......we're talking 5-7 points in a matter of seconds.
The window shuts F-A-S-T.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If your point is that locals and vegas are "widely available" outs, I'm not sure your statement means much to RAS as he doesn't consider those to be "widely available" and I'm sure he isn't creating this new idea with that in mind.
Good luck.
Even if a lot of those people were smaller bettors, when a flood of bets come in on the same game Sportsbooks will react much faster and move the line more dramatically even without a lot of bets actually being placed. When other sportsbooks see this, they copy the line move as well and the whole situation makes it really hard on anyone trying to get down a lot of money.
The CBB totals service has netted +65 unweighted units the past two seasons. If you use a conservative projection of +20 UNITS for 2009-10, you'd need to average $500 per unit to pay for the service and $1000 per unit to double your investment. When you include 1H bets it is my guess that most people taking advantage of this opportunity will be wagering more than the amounts described above.
Why wouldn't books flag these bettors? If books are worried enough about your plays to purchase them and be ready to go on your typical release times,don't you think they will be smart enough to figure out who's betting your plays? Even if you only have 25 players, don't you think 6 of them will be playing at the same book (bookmaker, 5dimes, thegreek, cris, etc) and when those 6 people place the same exact bets at the same exact time, every single time, the red flag waves.....right?
I'm not sure if books this big care about this amount of bettors/money, but it's all coming in on some random total that they aren't going to be able to even the action no matter the adjustment. I also assume the 25 might bet slightly more than normal due to the fact they are getting a better line than normal and they are already starting out down 10,000 rather than 900
Sorry for the 20 questions, this is just very interesting to me
Also, do you really feel like this is conservative? I feel like you are the best I've ever seen at CBB totals, but I'm not sure even with the new unit structure, that 20+ units is conservative given that last year was the first time your service ever won 20 units in CBB. But maybe you'll be able to give out plays you normally couldn't have with 300 players and it gives you an advantage I'm not considering?
Somehow we got by last year with over 200 people having direct access to the plays. I am sure there was a lot of flagging going on, a lot of line movement, a lot of things that alerted the whole world what the plays were, and other factors that made conditions very difficult. All we are trying to do now is improve the conditions, instead of allowing them to get worse. We don't know how much improvement there will be, it all remains to be seen, but we feel that dropping from 200+ to 25 will be a step in the positive direction.
Remember the first year of the totals service we still were using 1/2 UNITS, the unweighted unit count for CBB totals was actually +26.4 the first year, and +38.9 units the second year. With a +32.65 average the past two years, I think +20 is at least a fair projection, if not conservative.
This has been happening long before I came around. Picks from the winningest handicappers, groups, and syndicates have never been for sale to the public.
Over the past two seasons we have had 416 CBB totals and have hit 59.85%.
wow. considering just winning around 52% can generate a huge profit if your units are large enough, i can see why people are willing to pay 10k for a season of totals. good luck!
Good Luck with your endeaver...
glllll geter done peace
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