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Bookmaker = Fucking Cheaters

homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
edited December 2008 in Sports Betting
Seriously, i can understand if you move a line to equal out the action....what i cannot understand nor fucking condone, endorse or otherwise agree with, is this fucking cheater assholes pulling this bullshit

This bet can not be accepted, because the game has started. Please choose another one: [XXX] TOTAL

imagine how pissed i would be if i had paid for Ed's service. and just so you know, that was at 6:20 p.m. EST or so and the game just started about 5 mintues ago.

please, someone give me a book that won't take a game off the board until they move the line 5 fucking points before allowing any wagers on it.....

the odds are already in your favor with the juice on straight bets and the lousy payoff odds on parlays. you greedy pricks. the field is already tilted in your favor you cocksuckers, but you want to remove every advantage a player might have?

i am just stupid to think sportsbook should display a small portion of ethical behavior? nice customer service. i will never go back to BM....
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  • mook44mook44 Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Are you saying you want the book to take a play AFTER the game has started? Like a grace period? Hhmmm. Well I use BM and Bodog and I notice a difference in the close times, especially for 2H plays. Bodog seems to stay open right up until the action begins. BM closes much quicker so maybe take a look at Bodog. GL
  • jimmymojimmymo Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Hey homer, I actually started a thread earlier about this......i was asking whether this happened to more than me today......they basically told me that the line was "being played" by another player and the operator had to wait until the line moved before giving me the chance to play it......and, yes, the line they offered me was 5 points from the line listed on their site at the time.

    I suppose this is their new "method" to combat RAS players........I am researching other options right now.



    Anyone know a local that takes CBB totals in the greater seattle area? LOL
  • refaholic10refaholic10 Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    my experience at 5dimes was not far off...similar tactics used there as well for ed's plays...if your done with bm dont go over to 5dimes as you will more than likely experience the same bs...i go through a local currently but if you do find a legit book that doesnt use similar stall tactics and what have you please let me know...best of luck
  • jimmymojimmymo Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    mook44 wrote:
    Are you saying you want the book to take a play AFTER the game has started? Like a grace period? Hhmmm. Well I use BM and Bodog and I notice a difference in the close times, especially for 2H plays. Bodog seems to stay open right up until the action begins. BM closes much quicker so maybe take a look at Bodog. GL

    Mook, this happened 2 hours before the game time......they were stalling and waiting until they adjusted the line.
  • vegasconnxnvegasconnxn Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    this is nothing new...this is what books did to guard against dr. bob in his heyday also.
  • Flaggy03Flaggy03 Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Books can do whatever they want...it's their book. Although its not right/fair, we have the option to choose another book. I dont condone what they do, but there are no rules in gaming...we all know that.
  • BookbrakerBookbraker Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    the books must be resorting to this due to Ed's new system this year. They know the countdown. He had a great way to release plays but apparently the books will do just about anything to combat him and his clients.
  • NoleguyNoleguy Banned
    edited December 2008
    Don't blame the books....they are in business to make money. If it means protecting their exposure, kudos for them
  • ProduceProduce Banned
    edited December 2008
    as I have said in every one of these post that we seem to have every 2-3 days........


    5dimes, and I get the released line every single time


    Either I'm the faster bettor in the world or something wrong
  • mook44mook44 Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    jimmymo wrote:
    Mook, this happened 2 hours before the game time......they were stalling and waiting until they adjusted the line.

    Ah I got it. Fuckin bullshit.
  • SanManSanMan Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    True they are in the business to make money, and so are we. Posts like this help as this gives people a way to make an informed decision. If BM is doing this then they deserve all the press they can get so everyone knows. Our strength is in affecting their business!
  • homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Noleguy wrote:
    Don't blame the books....they are in business to make money. If it means protecting their exposure, kudos for them

    they already protect their exposure by charging us 10% fee on a straight wager

    they already protect their exposure by paying 2.5:1 on a bet that has a 4:1 chance of winning ( 2 tm parlay)

    i fully accept the lower odds and the juice prices, that is part of the game. but to freeze lines, within seconds of Ed releasing a play, is just plain cheating. tells me the shifty bastards found a way to access Ed's plays as quickly as his clients and then they take the line off the board.

    by the by....holy shit Ed. i know he gets more than enough respect and the props he deserves, but damn. books are not just adjusting lines, now they are freezing them until they adjust.

    finally, we always hear about books moving lines to create equal action on each side. engaging in this shady business alters the proper operation of the market place and, in my mind, insults and damages their customers.

    the book's job ISN"T to BEAT individual bettors. it is their job to provide a market place where individual investors assign a certain value to a side or a total of a game. those investors than decide the proper price by either buying or selling. yes, just like the stock market.

    what do you think would happen if Buffet said let's all buy Coke shares, and before even one share was purchased or sold, the price was artificially inflated by 4%?

    it amounts to criminal activity.
  • Flaggy03Flaggy03 Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    It's tough to compare the Sportsbook to the Stock Market, as one marketplace is totally legal and is a major player in how our society survives and runs. The Sportsbook's job isn't to solely provide a marketplace...it's to make money. Whoever found a way to access Ed's plays early at the Sportsbook just got a HUGE promotion and he deserves credit, even if we find it unfair.
  • jimmymojimmymo Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    I was so pissed off that I absolutely hammered Old Dominion to teach them a lesson.....damn, that made me feel better about things.......tomorrow I will begin my withdrawal process and move to another book..
  • SanManSanMan Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Stockmarket is legalized gambling pure and simple. I make a bet on a team or company to win. If either one of them loses, I lose money.
  • awfulorvawfulorv Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    I was at Edgewater ,Leroys, in Laughlin, Nev. Had a small stack, maybe twenty of $2.00 , ten team parlays.. Advertised , in bold, on ticket @ 850-1. They wouldn't take the bet. They took the tix aside and studied them, then said no dice. I suppose a 70 yr old guy, with a cane, looked too much like a "Sharpie" to them. I hope the gutless bastards , thats LEROYS, goes out of business tomorrow. How stupid. Are they in the gambling business or what?
  • Gator101Gator101 Banned
    edited December 2008
    bookmaker can be very fishy sometimes that is for sure, expecially halfers. I have numerous picked a play and hit continue then it jumps a point or to -115/-120 then i just cancel the bet and hit refresh and its back to -110 and the same point value. I expecially notice this if you are on a very hot streak, they do it to you ever time. These are just some of my experiences with them, otherwise they seem to be a pretty good site
  • firstclassfirstclass Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    the queation should be...... how does bookmaker know eds plays. ? does he have to give them the plays 1st. ?
  • jackson21jackson21 Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    I dont know of any place that will take your wager after a game has started - - -including two of the

    locals I have delt with.......Now if they're giving you that message -and the game has not started yet-

    then be pissed -- but its common not to take wagers after a game has started...........IMO
  • BookbrakerBookbraker Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    I was told that if you erase your cookies frequently the books programs cannot get a read on your betting style or patterns.
  • Gator101Gator101 Banned
    edited December 2008
    Bookbraker wrote:
    I was told that if you erase your cookies frequently the books programs cannot get a read on your betting style or patterns.

    That is what i heard as well, and i do, it works sometimes and sometimes it doesnt. kinda wierd
  • homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Flaggy03 wrote:
    It's tough to compare the Sportsbook to the Stock Market, as one marketplace is totally legal and is a major player in how our society survives and runs. The Sportsbook's job isn't to solely provide a marketplace...it's to make money.

    i respecfully disagree. in it's purest and most basic form, Books, offshore or local, are exactly like the Stock Market. and NYSE and NASDAQ are also in it to make money, which they do.

    Books merely exist to help transfer money from uninformed and irresponsible gamblers (INVESTORS) to informed, responsible and prepared bettors (INVESTORS)

    that is why my biggest advice to new bettors is to not view it as a contest against their Book. Your purpose isn't to beat the book, crush your man, take you book to the bank or any of that other sales pitch bullshit.

    your purpose is to study, learn to find value in sides or totals and make an informed decision based on your hard work. your purpose is to INVEST your hard earned dollars on teams (STOCKS) that the public has under-priced. sometimes those under priced teams are favorites and sometimes dogs, and sometimes the public is right and there is no value, that is when you pass.

    if you take one thing from this post, let it be a different way to view your Book...isn't your friend....isn't your enemy....just a conduit to move money around between investors (BETTORS)
  • refaholic10refaholic10 Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    guys who think he is talking about trying to make a wager on a game that has already started...REREAD it slowly...perhaps the wording could be better but that is not what he is saying...in all honesty that was my first reaction but then i read it again and understood...that being said this is in response to produce and his continued responses that 5dimes is great and he never has a problem yada yada yada...good for you i am glad for you and wish that was the case for everybody...but dont think its because your faster than everyone...i stared off with a $500 limit on 5% juice wagers...i got ALL of ed's plays in on time and was getting them at the posted mark if not beating it like you said by 1/2 point sometimes...then after maybe a week or two out of nowhere they took away my 5% juice (well basically as they put a $50 limit on college basketball totals yet i could play EVERYTHING ELSE still at $500 limit)...they didnt tell me this i just signed in and found out for myself...so i thought that that was a bit shady but not that big of a deal...then after another few days or so my limit on ALL college basketball totals was set to $250 yet mysteriously i could bet any amount i wanted on EVERYTHING ELSE...now that was internet wagers only so i started to call in my wagers and play for more than $250 with no problems for another week or so and then they told me that i couldnt place wagers over the phone now all of a sudden...when i asked why and to please explain all of these little situations i was facing all they would say is there is a note from the manager attached to my account saying so and that was all the info available at this time...so there i was unable to play 5% juice which was the bonus i signed up for...unable to play more than $250 a game on college basketball totals but could bet anything i wanted on anything else...then unable to phone in wagers for any bet all of a sudden...all clearly obvious limits to piss me off and leave...well they succeded and now i go through a local...i just wanted to let everyone know about this as it has nothing to do with getting your wagers in quickly like produce hinted at...God Bless him so far in terms of having no problems with them but that certainly was not my experience with 5dimes...take this info for what its worth and GL to all in finding a book that doesnt pull this shit...from seeing all the replies on here it looks like your going to need it...
  • hot2handlehot2handle Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    I use a local bookie with full web access and 800....don't experience ANY of those issues....
  • SanManSanMan Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Homer,
    just happened to me on Ed's morning releases. I tried to place the investment and it told me the game had already started and I could not do it. The games is hours away. By the time I got out and replaced the investment the line had drastically changed. If you buy Ed's plays, stay away from Bookmaker!
  • WinoWino Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    I'm with BM and I always phone them to bet Ed's picks....never a problem.
  • SanManSanMan Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    I normally do to, but sometimes when at work it is a little hard to do.
  • WinoWino Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Man refa I would of taken my business elsewhere in a heartbeat. I know it's a bit of a hassle but these are Ed's plays there fucking with. GL
  • jimmymojimmymo Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    Wino wrote:
    I'm with BM and I always phone them to bet Ed's picks....never a problem.

    Wino, were you able to get the side plays in this morning? I am always on the phone ready to go at release and they are telling me that the game is "on hold" and that I can't bet until they adjust the line.

    I asked them if they are going to continue to do this and they said "yes"
  • WinoWino Senior Member
    edited December 2008
    I actually use Betus for the sides and BM for the totals.....why? ....I just do. Since the start of cbb I haven't have had a problem with either book.
    I am on the phone with them when the picks are released.
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