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Mark Jackson Fired

BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
edited May 2014 in Sports Betting
The rumorville had this one correct, he was going to get fired basically unless he won the Championship.

I just don't get it, I thought he did a great job, Curry liked him. Just don't get this one.

Rumors are-

Kerr is going to turn down the Knicks job and take the Warriors job and stay closer to his home in San Diego.

The same guy that told me in January that Jackson was gone.

So there you go.

Comments

  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    That's a shame I thought he did a good also. I heard the rumor with one of his Assistants and also couldn't get along with a lot of people in the organization including the other Assistants. If he can't land a job I hope he goes back to TV because I thought he was terrific and enjoyed listening to him. This could be Classic I'm the coach and I know better then you. Funny thing about promotions and hiring people. They get promoted because of who they are and then they feel they have to change and be a different person and that usually turns out bad. Not saying that's the case but I think he did a very good job.
  • kanekane Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Yeah, this wasn't exaxctly surprising. There has to be something behind the scenes going on. I haven't followed the situation closely, but I'm assuming Jackson didn't get along with management, and then there was the situation with Scalabrine. He certainly seemed like a players coach, and the Warriors are on the right track, so it's gotta be something internal. Hey wouldn't it be ironic after all the talk about Kerr to the Knicks being a done deal, if he ends up out west and Jackson gets the Knicks job. If I were the Warriors I'd place a call to Stan Van Gundy to see if he was interested. Maybe I'm a little biased, but I think he's a top notch coach and it's surprising he doesn't have a head coaching job right now.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited May 2014
    There was something in the back ground, the assistant that was taping conversations and Scalabrine getting demoted, so something is happening. There was also an incident where his wife sang the National Anthem and was horrible. It goes on and on. But at the end he was winning, and unless you have a big splash name why make the change is what I am thinking.

    The teams net worth is going up 50% as soon as they officially move to SF from Oakland, so I would guess the owners know what they are doing.
    They already sell out every game, now in SF they will sell out for double the price.

    Don't know about SVG , something is wrong there, he should have got looks by now I think. If retreads like Mike Brown are getting jobs, not sure why he is not getting a job.
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    From what I read Jackson was a great motivator, but not a big X's and O's guy. While he should get credit for improving the team drastically, management clearly had their reservations of whether he could take them to The Finals. There's have been instances where 50-win teams still improved with their next coach. I hope that's the case for them, because this is a might talented group to work with.
    kane wrote: »
    If I were the Warriors I'd place a call to Stan Van Gundy to see if he was interested. Maybe I'm a little biased, but I think he's a top notch coach and it's surprising he doesn't have a head coaching job right now.
    You're right, from those available right now, the Van Gundy's and Lionel Hollins are the best options. George Karl is good too but can't get you over the hump. I'm kinda assuming that Kerr is off the market already.
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    Funny thing about promotions and hiring people. They get promoted because of who they are and then they feel they have to change and be a different person and that usually turns out bad. Not saying that's the case but I think he did a very good job.
    OT, I believe what your referring to is called The Peter Principle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited May 2014
    Now some nitty gritty stuff is starting to leak.
    About great motivator , didn't like to practice, not a good X's and O's guy like OT mentioned, assistant built Defense, didn't want assistants to get much credit. Over the top religious.
    Pretty interesting stuff.

    BTW - you can't have a coaching opening without Fred Hoiberg mentioned nowadays.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Obi One wrote: »
    From what I read Jackson was a great motivator, but not a big X's and O's guy. While he should get credit for improving the team drastically, management clearly had their reservations of whether he could take them to The Finals. There's have been instances where 50-win teams still improved with their next coach. I hope that's the case for them, because this is a might talented group to work with.


    You're right, from those available right now, the Van Gundy's and Lionel Hollins are the best options. George Karl is good too but can't get you over the hump. I'm kinda assuming that Kerr is off the market already.


    OT, I believe what your referring to is called The Peter Principle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

    No that's not what I meant I understand the Peter Principle you get to see a lot of it in the casino business but I think my analogy was off a bit and didn't really apply .
  • eug44eug44 Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    I thought he was a pretty horrible coach considering how much talent he had. He stifled the team on the offensive end, they were 9th in the league in points per game and averaged only 3pt more then the pistons. He refused to let them run and gun IMO they could have been much better defensively also with iggy and bogut. he was a great motivator but that's not enough - very fair firing IMO.

    Jackson is also a horrible hypocrite preached god and jesus every chance he gets and then goes out and has an affair on his wife.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited May 2014
    eug44 wrote: »
    I thought he was a pretty horrible coach considering how much talent he had. He stifled the team on the offensive end, they were 9th in the league in points per game and averaged only 3pt more then the pistons. He refused to let them run and gun IMO they could have been much better defensively also with iggy and bogut. he was a great motivator but that's not enough - very fair firing IMO.

    Jackson is also a horrible hypocrite preached god and jesus every chance he gets and then goes out and has an affair on his wife.
    Interesting Eug always nice to see different opinions. I thought with Jackson they actually played more defense then I have ever seen and without a real big man (bogut always hurt, oneal way past his prime) I thought he did very well, also thought he developed young players line Thompson Barnes and Green rather well. I do get your point though.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    eug44 wrote: »
    I thought he was a pretty horrible coach considering how much talent he had. He stifled the team on the offensive end, they were 9th in the league in points per game and averaged only 3pt more then the pistons. He refused to let them run and gun IMO they could have been much better defensively also with iggy and bogut. he was a great motivator but that's not enough - very fair firing IMO.

    Jackson is also a horrible hypocrite preached god and jesus every chance he gets and then goes out and has an affair on his wife.

    I have to disagree with that there were only two teams in the NBA that were top 10 in offense and Defense and that's G.St they were 10-10 and SAS which are 6-6. t (The word Horrible is a little strong don't you think?) I don't know how much credit he deserved and unless you were there you also don't know. I do know what you hear is he wanted to be the man and not support his coaches but the press conferences I seen he took blame when there was blame to be taken. I believe that anyone that holds a position like that (Top Man) on the floor should not be set-up to fail. When you don't have prior experience in that type of position you being set up to fail unintentionally of course.

    Being an Assistant coach can do nothing but help when you get your opportunity to be the man. Kidd will fail also. I believe in fast tracking but coaching an NBA team with no prior coaching experience it's tough. Even one or two years as an assistant can help a great deal and then again coaches get hire to be fired comes with the job and in today's world it's win now baby win now. Teams have to know how to win before they can win and that takes a little time. Ask Boston,Detroit and the Bulls it takes time. Heck it even took Miami a little time. that's just my take I always liked him on the count and on the tube.

    About his cheating it's news when a ballplayer in any sport that doesn't screw around some less then others but most do. Dam it's really kinda hard not to and always remember when your looking at the hottest of hot somebody is tired of banging her and it just may be your turn that night.
  • eug44eug44 Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    You can make an argument that with Bogut healthy in the playoffs things would have been different for them. I personally don't buy it, they ran an extremely simple offense with the greatest shooting backcourt of all time (I can't think of a better one). I also disagree that he develops player talent (don't think we can judge that), Barnes regressed from his rookie year for obvious reasons and Thompson was always a one diminshenal stud.
    OT believe me I am all for banging as many hot chicks as possible but don't preach and don't make yourself seem this righteous man that has the answers for everything if you are cheating on your wife.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    eug44 wrote: »
    You can make an argument that with Bogut healthy in the playoffs things would have been different for them. I personally don't buy it, they ran an extremely simple offense with the greatest shooting backcourt of all time (I can't think of a better one). I also disagree that he develops player talent (don't think we can judge that), Barnes regressed from his rookie year for obvious reasons and Thompson was always a one diminshenal stud.
    OT believe me I am all for banging as many hot chicks as possible but don't preach and don't make yourself seem this righteous man that has the answers for everything if you are cheating on your wife.

    They're men there on the road they have women throwing themselves at them MOST I cap that because some don't but most do. As for me I'm 64 I can't afford it. Do you know how many Athletes that I know and have been to clubs with that are married. Believe me Most do they're men and most of us think with our other head. How you got I came off as a righteous man I don't know I just don't judge people for what they do in life. Where all hypocrites in one way or another and if you think we aren't your fooling yourself
  • eug44eug44 Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Minor morning misunderstanding - I was referring to Mark Jackson not to you! I agree with everything you said. Jackson preaching about God and being a minister tells me he is holding himself to a higher standard.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    I agree with that I don't believe Bible thumping belongs in the work place. Good Luck today.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    OT---'About his cheating it's news when a ballplayer in any sport that doesn't screw around some less then others but most do. Dam it's really kinda hard not to and always remember when your looking at the hottest of hot somebody is tired of banging her and it just may be your turn that night. "

    Fucken classic!!!
  • kanekane Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    I'm listening to Dan Lebatard and he brings up a very good point. Everyone knows Mark Jackson is very religious, always quoting the bible and shit like that. Apparently when Jason Collins came out MJ commented something about how he knows the difference between "right and wrong", implying that Collins is wrong for being a homosexual. I didn't know this until now, but the owner of the Warriors is gay. I can't speak for anyone else, but If I were the owner of a business and I was gay, I certainly wouldn't want anyone working for me (especially in a management position) who was homophobic. And I wouldn't care if the homophobic views were based on the person's religious views or not. If I was the owner of the team I would have fired him too. Also, think about where the Warriors play, I can't think of a worse city in the country to be a homophobe. Of course his firing could have nothing at all to do with this, but it is an interesting thought.
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Ahaaaa.......
    That's why he gave him the pink slip.....
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    kane wrote: »
    I'm listening to Dan Lebatard and he brings up a very good point. Everyone knows Mark Jackson is very religious, always quoting the bible and shit like that. Apparently when Jason Collins came out MJ commented something about how he knows the difference between "right and wrong", implying that Collins is wrong for being a homosexual. I didn't know this until now, but the owner of the Warriors is gay. I can't speak for anyone else, but If I were the owner of a business and I was gay, I certainly wouldn't want anyone working for me (especially in a management position) who was homophobic. And I wouldn't care if the homophobic views were based on the person's religious views or not. If I was the owner of the team I would have fired him too. Also, think about where the Warriors play, I can't think of a worse city in the country to be a homophobic. Of course his firing could have nothing at all to do with this, but it is an interesting thought.

    I couldn't agree more. excellent post and to the people who are homophobic it's really sad because your looking past the person and judging him/her by his/her sexual ornamentation.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited May 2014
    kane wrote: »
    I'm listening to Dan Lebatard and he brings up a very good point. Everyone knows Mark Jackson is very religious, always quoting the bible and shit like that. Apparently when Jason Collins came out MJ commented something about how he knows the difference between "right and wrong", implying that Collins is wrong for being a homosexual. I didn't know this until now, but the owner of the Warriors is gay. I can't speak for anyone else, but If I were the owner of a business and I was gay, I certainly wouldn't want anyone working for me (especially in a management position) who was homophobic. And I wouldn't care if the homophobic views were based on the person's religious views or not. If I was the owner of the team I would have fired him too. Also, think about where the Warriors play, I can't think of a worse city in the country to be a homophobe. Of course his firing could have nothing at all to do with this, but it is an interesting thought.

    Very well written Kane. Don't think it is the owner that is gay, I think it is the Warriors President is Rick Welts who is openly gay.

    The future owner of the Clippers is Openly Gay also.

    Wrong place to be Homophobic , especially when your team is soon moving to San Francisco from Oakland to 3/4 billion dollar arena.

    His comments were almost as stupid as Ozzie Guillen remarking negative comments about the Cuban community in Miami. Or Worst.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    If you took a secret poll among NBA players and the Y/N question was : Would you accept openly gay players in your locker room? What's the tally? I'd tap out on over 65% NO and double pop at over 75%. Right or wrong, I believe that's the sentiment among the players.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited May 2014
    IMO - Wrong but I live in Northern California so might be jaded.

    These younger generations are far more accepting of the various lifestyles of teammates and people in general then decades before.

    I think most of them would say , who cares, will he rebound and pass me the ball.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Ok, then I'll pose to this question to a younger guy here that plays semi-pro baseball. STEVIE Y what's your opinion on the secret ballot locker room vote?
  • StevieYStevieY Senior Handicapper
    edited May 2014
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Ok, then I'll pose to this question to a younger guy here that plays semi-pro baseball. STEVIE Y what's your opinion on the secret ballot locker room vote?

    Probably not as young as you think, but for me personally, I don't care about anything more than what you can do on the field. If you can play, I don't care if you are gay or purple. You respect that I am straight, I'll respect the you are gay.

    As far as a secret vote, that's tough. 70% of my teammates change year to year so you don't get to know some of them well enough to know if they are fake or to what extent. What I mean is, there will always be people who will say something publicly to stay PC but behind closed doors may think the opposite. All things being equal(equal number of people flipping their opinion behind closed doors), I'd say with the teammates I have had over the past 4-5 years, I'd say 75% would be ok, 25% no opinion/would not be ok. I think a lot has to do with your surroundings. I've had teammates who were this uptight:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs

    I'd put them in the 25% group. :)

    That clip always reminds me of 1 ex-teammate. Two years ago we had a player from Kentucky. This kid was the biggest ass I have played with in a while. He shows up talking shit, like Kentucky is some great baseball power. That year they lost in regionals to Kent. We had a player from Kent on the team as well. Kid was quiet, could have talked shit but didn't. The Kentucky kid is popping off like we are supposed to be in awe of him. Myself, I keep everyone loose, the practical joke king. I have 0 anxiety for anything but I am not going to let this kid sit there all year talking this shit. We are taking BP so I go out and stand by him and start blabbing for about 5 minutes, Kent is this, Kent is that. Kent is the greatest. Everytime he starts to talk, I mention something else about Kent. You can see he is getting so uptight. He starts moving around and I follow him. The rest of the team can see what is going on and everytime he moves toward someone, they move away. I think I did that to him for about an hour. :) I thought he got the message but about 30 minutes before our 1st game, he starts telling everyone "this is my bat, no one touch my bat. This is my helmet, no one touch my helmet". So I pipe up "lighten up Francis". :) He's hitting 5th, I'm hitting 3rd. I walk right by my helmet and put his on(both the same color). He doesn't notice. I pick up his bat and say "whose bat is this?". he yells, "don't touch my bat", so I say "this is your bat?" He says "yes, put it down". I say "why, did you make it yourself". He says "no, put it down". I grab my bat and say "well, it's a piece of shit, it won't make it thru the 1st week". Guys are just rolling in the dugout. He never noticed i had his helmet on. I walk and as I am on 1st, I see him looking everywhere for his helmet. He finally realizes I have his helmet on so he grabs a team helmet and he is fuming on deck. He makes the final out of the inning and tells me to never touch his helmet again. He makes the final out of an inning later and no one brought out his glove. I run out by him on my way to center and say "We weren't sure if we were allowed to touch your glove so we left it on the bench". The next inning in the dugout I told him no one gives a shit who you think you are, and if you keep up this attitude you are in a for long summer. He lightened up a little, but he was still a dick. :)
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Good Story, Funny stuff. A little lighten up here at times would be a good thing also.

    EDIT: Before anyone says anything I include myself also.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Michael Sams played football in the best conference in Division 1. He was voted SEC Player of the Year. Yet, he was drafted #249 in the 7th round by St. Louis. So, you don't think there is a reluctance to draft an openly gay player?
    Watch the interview with Coach Fisher. He's very cautious about doing and saying the right things.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/lupica-michael-sam-wasn-drafted-openly-gay-article-1.1787824
  • kdogkdog Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Michael Sams played football in the best conference in Division 1. He was voted SEC Player of the Year. Yet, he was drafted #249 in the 7th round by St. Louis. So, you don't think there is a reluctance to draft an openly gay player?
    Watch the interview with Coach Fisher. He's very cautious about doing and saying the right things.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/lupica-michael-sam-wasn-drafted-openly-gay-article-1.1787824

    He was ranked the 206th best prospect by National Football Post and seen by many as a tweener so 249th is not much of stretch. I have no doubt that some teams would not have drafted him with pick #1000 but in actuality he went about where expected.
  • kanekane Senior Member
    edited May 2014
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Michael Sams played football in the best conference in Division 1. He was voted SEC Player of the Year. Yet, he was drafted #249 in the 7th round by St. Louis. So, you don't think there is a reluctance to draft an openly gay player?
    Watch the interview with Coach Fisher. He's very cautious about doing and saying the right things.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/lupica-michael-sam-wasn-drafted-openly-gay-article-1.1787824

    Kdog is right, he got selected pretty much where he was expected to. As far as there being a reluctance to draft an openly gay player, I think if teams were reluctant to draft him it would have more to do with the media circus that will surround him than the fact that he's gay. This isn't just a sports story, this is national news. MSNBC, CNN, you name the news organization, they'll be covering this story all year. I think some teams just didn't want the distraction of dozens of news outlets and reporters around their team asking the same questions over and over every day. If the league thought Sam was a stud can't miss player, he would have gone much higher. Let's say Clowney, or Sammy Watkins were openly gay, I don't think that would have affected their draft status at all, they both would have been drafted in the same spots as they were.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited May 2014
    Lot of hype for a guy that has never coached before but let the Kerr era begin.

    This is gotta piss the Knicks off.
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