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A RAS Total??? Say it aint so !!!

RonyBallgameRonyBallgame Senior Member
edited January 2014 in Sports Betting
Is this a sign of things to come or just a play that was just too strong to pass up?
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  • barmoycmbarmoycm Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    what is it
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited January 2014
    barmoycm wrote: »
    what is it

    Are you serious? Check the RAS website later tonight and it will appear after it tips like every other play.
  • barmoycmbarmoycm Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    oh ok i didnt know that . .thx
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited January 2014
    barmoycm wrote: »
    oh ok i didnt know that . .thx

    Even if you didn't know RAS plays appear on the site shortly after tip, you should know we don't allow people to give out plays others have to pay for, especially when they come from the owner of this very forum.
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited January 2014
    We're contemplating offering a service for the second half of the season that includes totals. We'll see.
  • barmoycmbarmoycm Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    that would be cool... i would buy that for sure.. i love playing totals
  • barmoycmbarmoycm Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Goats wrote: »
    Even if you didn't know RAS plays appear on the site shortly after tip, you should know we don't allow people to give out plays others have to pay for, especially when they come from the owner of this very forum.

    didnt know it was a paid service play cuz as far as i knew the service was comprised of only side plays..thought maybe he posted it on twitter or some thread where i missed it because it was a total play..but yea i know the rules
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited January 2014
    barmoycm wrote: »
    didnt know it was a paid service play cuz as far as i knew the service was comprised of only side plays..thought maybe he posted it on twitter or some thread where i missed it because it was a total play..but yea i know the rules

    OK, fair enough, didn't think of that scenario, sorry if my response was harsh.
  • jmjm Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Haven't seen a line pop like that in a while
  • procapprocap Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    When does the market become full strength on these?
  • barmoycmbarmoycm Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    oh hell no..ur the mod of the site ..no offense taken

    but yea i would strongly recommend that idea ..i think it would be an easy offering to market given the totals reputation ..it definitely would get people talking.
  • golfer1000golfer1000 Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Can this totals service start tomorrow? Ill pay double:)
  • barmoycmbarmoycm Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    routine.. nice hit
  • jakenhljakenhl Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    The totals market is just now starting to recover. I don't know why you can't just wager like the rest of the groups. No need to trash it for everyone.You say you had nothing to do with the collapse. Well there are several bookmakers in town that would say otherwise. Even the coast and stations are putting up totals on the Big East, PAC 12, big 10 and the ESPN games. Once you start releasing to your flock. The market is gone again.You say you have a 12 man team. That your better than most groups. Then act like it .You don't see the other groups selling their plays on the Internet. It becomes a joke when you start taking out markets this small.All to feed your ego. Take a break most already think you're the God of basketball handicapping.
  • golfer1000golfer1000 Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    jakenhl wrote: »
    The totals market is just now starting to recover. I don't know why you can't just wager like the rest of the groups. No need to trash it for everyone.You say you had nothing to do with the collapse. Well there are several bookmakers in town that would say otherwise. Even the coast and stations are putting up totals on the Big East, PAC 12, big 10 and the ESPN games. Once you start releasing to your flock. The market is gone again.You say you have a 12 man team. That your better than most groups. Then act like it .You don't see the other groups selling their plays on the Internet. It becomes a joke when you start taking out markets this small.All to feed your ego. Take a break most already think you're the God of basketball handicapping.

    Lol. If you think he's gonna stop his service for you then you are crazy. Here's an idea,... Buy the fuckin service. He's way better than then you and this group you claim your with.
  • baseRunnerbaseRunner Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    golfer1000 wrote: »
    Lol. If you think he's gonna stop his service for you then you are crazy. Here's an idea,... Buy the fuckin service. He's way better than then you and this group you claim your with.

    I think you're missing jake's point. If RAS releasing totals results in the entire market being shut down, that would fuck a lot of people over in the long term, and would be totally counterproductive to a lot of peoples interests. I don't know if RAS totals would have that kind of damaging effect on today's market, but I do know it would suck if that happened. But ultimately, free country.
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited January 2014
    baseRunner wrote: »
    But ultimately, free country.

    Not that anyone really cares, but that would sum up my take on the matter. Ultimately, people are going to do what's in their own best interest, and short of committing crimes or seriously and/or maliciously hurting others, I see nothing wrong with that.

    I respect everyone's right to express what they feel Ed should do, but only he can decide what he believes is best for him.
  • golfer1000golfer1000 Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    baseRunner wrote: »
    I think you're missing jake's point. If RAS releasing totals results in the entire market being shut down, that would fuck a lot of people over in the long term, and would be totally counterproductive to a lot of peoples interests. I don't know if RAS totals would have that kind of damaging effect on today's market, but I do know it would suck if that happened. But ultimately, free country.

    If Ed thought his service would shut down the totals market then he wouldn't do it. Remember, he can bet all these totals right now , so if he thought the market would get worse he wouldn't bother with the service. This would hurt him too if they shut it down. And maybe the totals market isn't easily beatable anymore. I honestly haven't paid much attention to it this year. Time will tell
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited January 2014
    One last thing... I think there's way too much assuming what is and is not best for Ed in this thread. He has his own goals, priorities, family to support, etc.

    I stand by what I posted above... only he can decide what he believes is best for him.
  • golfer1000golfer1000 Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Sorry goats. I'm done with this thread now. Just thought I would chime in after Jakes post. Thought it was pretty funny.
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited January 2014
    golfer1000 wrote: »
    Sorry goats. I'm done with this thread now. Just thought I would chime in after Jakes post. Thought it was pretty funny.

    No need to apologize IMO. I did post "I respect everyone's right to express what they feel Ed should do" so if you have opinions to share, go for it.
  • jakenhljakenhl Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Golfer,

    First of all this will be my last post on this subject. I am not a group and have no affiliation with a group. I am just like many others out there who do not want to see the totals market destroyed again. A lot of people work very hard at this particular niche and don't want to see it hurt anymore than it has been.

    Good luck.
    Eddie
  • lakemonsterlakemonster Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    jakenhl wrote: »
    Golfer,

    First of all this will be my last post on this subject. I am not a group and have no affiliation with a group. I am just like many others out there who do not want to see the totals market destroyed again. A lot of people work very hard at this particular niche and don't want to see it hurt anymore than it has been.

    Good luck.
    Eddie

    you & alan boston should hook-up and cry about this together
  • jakenhljakenhl Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Lakemonster,

    I have to respond to this because I believe my posts are being misinterpreted. This has nothing to do with competition, release times. He can release these plays on the overnights and I would not give a shit, but they are not available like they once were. Like said in a previous post it is a free world and if Ed needs to feed his sheep so be it.

    Good luck.
    Eddie
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited January 2014
    This isn't Nov-Dec of 2008. If we do offer totals, we aren't going to release 15 plays a week, hit 65%, and beat the close by 3.50 points a pick. The totals market is up only for TV games, and lines are significantly better than they used to be. If we are lucky, we'll have 5 plays a week, hit 55%, and beat the close by 1.50. If we thought it would have a negative impact on the market we wouldn't do it.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited January 2014
    You might be underestimating your effect on the market. I am assuming total lines you give out will probably close 4-6 points from where you release them. When local books are aware of your service and know your release times, you have truly hurt their bottom line enough that they are paying attention.
  • duritodurito Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    The whole idea that RAS destroyed the totals market is ridiculous anyway. It is not "just starting to recover" either. The simple fact is that no sportsbooks will put up lines they can't copy from boomaker/pinnacle. Since pinny no longer gets enough action from the usa to make it worthwhile, they aren't posting. And cris made the decision a few years ago to quit.

    Also, the RAS totals were -2 units combined the last 2 years they were sold for a whole season.
  • duritodurito Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    BigKahuna wrote: »
    You might be underestimating your effect on the market. I am assuming total lines you give out will probably close 4-6 points from where you release them. When local books are aware of your service and know your release times, you have truly hurt their bottom line enough that they are paying attention.



    They didn't move anywhere near this much back when the lines were way less sharp, they certainly won't move that much now.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited January 2014
    durito wrote: »
    They didn't move anywhere near this much back when the lines were way less sharp, they certainly won't move that much now.
    You might be right at Pinny or other places, I should have clarified my locals who over exaggerate his games, I am assuming will do the same with totals.
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited January 2014
    BigKahuna wrote: »
    I am assuming total lines you give out will probably close 4-6 points from where you release them.

    Even in our totals heyday we never beat the close on average by more than 3.5 or so in any given month, and even that was in the early months of the season playing almost entirely non-TV games and hitting at ridiculously high win rates.

    In January of 2012 we beat the close by +2.19, in 2010-11 we beat the close by +1.76 for full season, and last night's release beat it by 2 points without any real opposition. An average CLV of +1.5 would be a reasonable expectation if we release TV totals the rest of this year. Right now, there are groups playing totals who beat the close by a lot more than 1.5 points and with much heavier volume on a daily basis. If the market can handle them, it should be able to handle RAS.
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