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RAS in Vegas

CoolsCools Senior Member
edited January 2014 in Sports Betting
Hey fellas, I am going to Las Vegas this weekend and was curious to know how the sportsbooks there handle RAS releases.

Do you know if getting the release numbers is possible if you're standing at the book when the plays come out? Is it okay if I'm standing there with my smartphone in my hand waiting for the play? I've heard that some books won't let you use cell phones.

Thanks in advance.
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  • originalokieoriginalokie Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Just don't stand so close to be that obvious
    Sit, have a drink, then attack
  • underwrapsunderwraps Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    I've heard that some books won't let you use cell phones.

    just keep it discreet. some block the waves the closer you get to the windows.
  • lakemonsterlakemonster Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Cools wrote: »
    Hey fellas, I am going to Las Vegas this weekend and was curious to know how the sportsbooks there handle RAS releases.

    Do you know if getting the release numbers is possible if you're standing at the book when the plays come out? Is it okay if I'm standing there with my smartphone in my hand waiting for the play? I've heard that some books won't let you use cell phones.

    Thanks in advance.

    Las Vegas did away with the "No cell phone use in sportsbook" rule a few years ago...
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Cools it's tough because if the book your at moves and most of them do at the ones that will take a bet that I get on screen. By the time you get to the next book it's gone. For the most part Vegas Books move on air but it's just my opinion and remember the only books I play at in Vegas is Stations and William Hill books via Mobile. I'm a recreational player ($200/300 more $200 then 3's) and I haven't been to a counter to bet sports in Vegas in a long time. People may agree or Disagree I would most likely be at the M when the bets are released. As for Cell phones you can use Lap tops and Cell phones in the sports book only "Not at the Counter"
  • buythehookbuythehook Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Thanks for asking this question because I was curious about this as well. I will be in Vegas in March and I have never been to a sportsbook and don't know the rules, etc.
  • originalokieoriginalokie Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    buythehook wrote: »
    Thanks for asking this question because I was curious about this as well. I will be in Vegas in March and I have never been to a sportsbook and don't know the rules, etc.
    Be there Mar 16 - 24
  • buythehookbuythehook Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Be there Mar 16 - 24


    Still looking for tix and a hotel... Haven't chosen a weekend yet, but if I am there on those dates, we will definitely hook up Okie.

    Hope all is well!
  • originalokieoriginalokie Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    buythehook wrote: »
    Still looking for tix and a hotel... Haven't chosen a weekend yet, but if I am there on those dates, we will definitely hook up Okie.

    Hope all is well!

    17th - S Patty's

    19-23 Opening rounds NCAA
  • gatorshoosiersgatorshoosiers Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Went to a new casino/sportsbook bimini bay little island between ft Lauderdale and Bahamas last month. Good alternative for east/Midwest people.
  • baseRunnerbaseRunner Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    On a related note- does anyone know what Vegas limits are for non-televised game totals?
    Got crickets in another thread, guessing no one at BT bets these much...
  • CoolsCools Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    Cools it's tough because if the book your at moves and most of them do at the ones that will take a bet that I get on screen. By the time you get to the next book it's gone. For the most part Vegas Books move on air but it's just my opinion and remember the only books I play at in Vegas is Stations and William Hill books via Mobile. I'm a recreational player ($200/300 more $200 then 3's) and I haven't been to a counter to bet sports in Vegas in a long time. People may agree or Disagree I would most likely be at the M when the bets are released. As for Cell phones you can use Lap tops and Cell phones in the sports book only "Not at the Counter"

    Thanks for the detailed response OT. So if I'm gathering what you're saying correctly, I can stand back away from the counter, get the play on my cell and then make the bet. I'm not really as concerned about making the wager as I am getting the release number. Sorry for the ignorance but what do you mean by "move on air?" Are the books going to move the line as fast as an offshore like BookMaker does or is there more like a 30-second window to get the release number?
  • RaloRalo Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Do not think you can get the initial line any where. The Vegas books are every bit as fast as offshore. I stood at Sam's Town window when the play was text and they held up the play until the line was moved. They are not stupid.

    This year has been absurd in how quick all the books are savvy to RAS.

    All his pushes are losses for us and most 1 point games are losses.

    Last year we had a shot as he was very hot and the plays won with a margin, but this year the plays are all to sharp by the book.

    Look at last night, San Jose was -6. RAS pushes and the only way to get a push was to lay 150! Not cost effective.
  • CoolsCools Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Thank you Ralo, that's exactly what I was looking for. I was under the impression that Vegas would move a bit slower but I guess that is not the case.

    Thanks for the responses all, good luck.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Cools wrote: »
    Thanks for the detailed response OT. So if I'm gathering what you're saying correctly, I can stand back away from the counter, get the play on my cell and then make the bet. I'm not really as concerned about making the wager as I am getting the release number. Sorry for the ignorance but what do you mean by "move on air?" Are the books going to move the line as fast as an offshore like BookMaker does or is there more like a 30-second window to get the release number?

    Yes, The sports book manager will sit in back monitoring all action in town and off-shore and move a number without taking a $1 on it. You could hang out off to the side where the sheets are or against the wall depending were you are. you just can't be at the counter making a bet talking on a cell phone. It was a stupid policy but when cell phones first came out only god knows what they thought was going to happen. To answer the bookmaker time question that depends on the book some you may get a little longer.

    On the other hand if you play table games you can't keep your cell on the table and some places will make you get up if you receive a call. I always told my managers and supervisor's if a player gets a call give him a sec or two it could be his wife asking where are you it could be his host don't go flying across the table telling a guest you can't do that here. So if your playing table games and get a call it's best to make it quick it's rude to the other guests. Don't sweat the BS have a great time it's the best time of the year better then the super bowl with all it's parties.

    Make sure you get a players card if you play table games or slots and before checking out ask to see the host on duty and see if they could do anything for your play. Let me know where your staying. May I ask is this your first trip it will be a trip to remember.

    Get on line before the release play hits your phone and then take a peak at the phone without bring the phone up towards the counter. Worst case they said no cell phones at the counter.
    Say no Problem didn't know and move on.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    On second thought getting on line with your phone and taking a peak gets you one game maybe then you have to get back on line then most likely your dead with the rest of the games. so disregard that last part.
  • CoolsCools Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    No it is not my first trip OT, but haven't been back in awhile. We are leaving from San Diego at 4 a.m. Saturday, staying at the LVH. I know it's off-strip but we chose that hotel because we were told that they are the only book in town that will serve you free drinks as long as you have a few tickets on the table. Hope that holds true.

    Playing golf at Primm Valley on the way up, which we are stoked about. Probably not going to get to the hotel until 3 p.m. or so so we'll only catch the end of the Saints-Seahawks game. Chose this weekend because in my opinion, it's the best football has to offer. Although this year it might be hard to live up to the excitement of Wild Card Weekend football-wise.

    If you are around and available on Saturday or Sunday OT please stop by, drinks are on me ;)
  • duritodurito Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    baseRunner wrote: »
    On a related note- does anyone know what Vegas limits are for non-televised game totals?
    Got crickets in another thread, guessing no one at BT bets these much...

    It would surprise me if there were even offered. If so $500.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Cools wrote: »
    No it is not my first trip OT, but haven't been back in awhile. We are leaving from San Diego at 4 a.m. Saturday, staying at the LVH. I know it's off-strip but we chose that hotel because we were told that they are the only book in town that will serve you free drinks as long as you have a few tickets on the table. Hope that holds true.

    Playing golf at Primm Valley on the way up, which we are stoked about. Probably not going to get to the hotel until 3 p.m. or so so we'll only catch the end of the Saints-Seahawks game. Chose this weekend because in my opinion, it's the best football has to offer. Although this year it might be hard to live up to the excitement of Wild Card Weekend football-wise.

    If you are around and available on Saturday or Sunday OT please stop by, drinks are on me ;)

    Excellent sports book, good choice. Thanks for invite I might take you up on that.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    durito wrote: »
    It would surprise me if there were even offered. If so $500.

    It's sad but many of the casino's don't put them up. If if you find one I would think $500 would be it. Vegas is a gaming town not a gambling town anymore. I would try the M but I'm not sure. Where I live I need to pack a lunch to get there. I'm looking at a few of the bigger casino's in town now and they have a few up but not many and they put them up very late.
  • baseRunnerbaseRunner Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    durito wrote: »
    It would surprise me if there were even offered. If so $500.

    Thanks. According to VegasInsider, they are offered for quite a few games. When I called to ask, the operator told me they don't have a phone line to the sportsbook. So I asked her if she could just tell me over the phone, and she said "we don't do that." Lol, okay.
  • duritodurito Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    baseRunner wrote: »
    Thanks. According to VegasInsider, they are offered for quite a few games. When I called to ask, the operator told me they don't have a phone line to the sportsbook. So I asked her if she could just tell me over the phone, and she said "we don't do that." Lol, okay.

    There are none showing on sports options (LVH, WWill, MIrage, SPoint, Caesars, Stations). Cantor doesn't publish but it would suprise me greatly if they posted something pinny didnt have.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Ex: When they finally put up the DePaul/Butler total it was late and opened 136
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    durito wrote: »
    There are none showing on sports options (LVH, WWill, MIrage, SPoint, Caesars, Stations). Cantor doesn't publish but it would suprise me greatly if they posted something pinny didnt have.

    I have Cantor up and they have the same as the others. It's a cookie cutter town.
  • buythehookbuythehook Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Old-timer... I will be in Vegas sometime in early march.. Once I get the details, invite is open for u to come out for a drink at one of the sport books.. I would love to hear some more of ur great stories.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Do you mean like the time I was giving a heavy set guy an audition on a crap game and his pants fell to floor as he was paying the pass line. You have to hear that in person. Or the one night I'm coming into work around 7:00pm and there's swat all over the Golden Nugget with high powered weapons with scopes between the slot machines and this guy is sitting by a small bank (3 machines) of mega bucks next to the sports book.

    What happen was this guy was a supervisor with another casino can't remember which one but stole 30k and put it on Detroit Lions -7 and if they won put the money back and everything would b good. So the Lions have the ball and they need a first down to run the clock out winning by 4 I don't Remember if it was a pass or run but the Detroit guy got stop on the one yard line and Rodney King took 3 knees and the game landed on 4 so the guy told the sports book manager I think it was Jimmy V. and said I'm going to blow my brains out.

    When swat got there is was surreal and on the mega phone they told him if you lift the gun from your knee we will shoot you after about two hours he gave up and business as usual. Well there was business going while this was happening at the other end of the casino
    I have so many stories that you'll laugh.

    I was at treasure island from 2000 till Ruffin bought it and was there for all 3 cage Robberies where at one of them a guard was shot in the back. All by the same guy. They finally put bars up on the cage.

    I have better stuff that I seen I could write a book. I should write a book just for myself for when I'm gone. Benny has a real life book that's about him which is well written and should write a book about the escapades of a lone gambler.

    Quickly another story better told in person at the Bellagio a sports book supervisor took a 100k cash and walk to the cage and put in on deposit go to a baccarat table played until hopefully he won a few thousand cashed out put the money back and kept the winnings. There's more because about after a week or so he went broke but to me the best part is nobody recognized him. that he worked there.

    I'm on my phone so please excuse my spelling or Grammer if it's off its usually off anyway.

    Talk tto you soon and would like to meet you for a drink and a game .

    Good Luck
  • buythehookbuythehook Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Lol.. Great stuff OT.. Love to hear it in person.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    I was there that night when Metro with SWAT stormed the sportsbook. I never saw you "power walk" so fast up the hall toward the coffee shop and take a left into a employee room. I think Santoro was sb boss then??
  • zmanchitownzmanchitown Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    To all bt, I turn 40 February 2 (yes Super Bowl/groundhogs day) . Me and small crew of friends will be at encore. if your in vegas and would like to stop by for a drink or the game (I have not decided on the book or the theater) have ed et all mods give you my email. Going to be special long weekend. My wife just had both life insurance policies upped on me (not joking)handles I have followed for a long time. Joe
  • zmanchitownzmanchitown Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Sorry meant to say would love to meet some of the guys whose handles I have followed for a long time. All is comped so come on over
  • jimmymojimmymo Senior Member
    edited January 2014
    Be there Mar 16 - 24

    Holy shit okie.....how do you survive that length of trip? I go for 72 hours and I am a complete mess for the next week solid.....
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