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TheReb
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For those that play, what would you do here?
Played the Venetian $600 DS yesterday, starting stack 15k, got to 1st break with just at 30k...come back from break, first hand I'm in SB with QcQh blinds are 100/200 with 25 ante. Early position raises to 525, player on his immediate left flats...folded to me. First question what would you do?
Played the Venetian $600 DS yesterday, starting stack 15k, got to 1st break with just at 30k...come back from break, first hand I'm in SB with QcQh blinds are 100/200 with 25 ante. Early position raises to 525, player on his immediate left flats...folded to me. First question what would you do?
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Agree
Need to know their stack sizes but default in sb here should be about 2100 or so. Too tough to play passively out of posistion.
reads on either player?
how many hands is the opener playing? is he raising or limping when he enters a pot?
readless, this is a mandatory 3bet imo and most pros would agree, although if you have a read that this player will only stack off preflop with AA or KK, then you could make an argument for flatting preflop and outplaying him postflop.
Later in a tournament, you are three betting this to five bet all in, and you are thanking the poker gods for having such a strong hand late in the tournament. Even the biggest of nits will get allin preflop late in a tournament with AJ+ and 88+ at a minimum. We have 62% equity vs that range!!!!
1. Young guys have a 4bet bluff range, so your 5 bet will have fold equity.
2. Young guys have a wider 4bet value range, even at 150bb deep JJ+/AK and maybe some TT, 99 and AQss depending on your image.
Mandatory 3 bet not close. 2100
Totally agree.
LOL!! No bad beat I promise
Bet 2k. Preflop u should make it a little more because u don't want to invite 3 way pot OOP.
He isn't folding Tx, 89, 88,99. He probably doenst fold 22-66 cuz he will "put you on Ace King". He isn't folding a flush draw, and he probably will continue with J8 and J9. That is a lot of hands. He will stack you if he has a 7, but we aren't concerned about that. We have an overpair in a 3 bet pot against a loose player, YUM!
Worm, the original raiser had folded to my reraise on a previous hand much earlier and I felt if he was not that strong he would fold again for that amt. which is exactly what happened...the other player I very much doubt would have thrown the hand away for the extra 500 but that's always the 64 mill dollar question in hind sight...this one I'm positive would not have.
Knowing this, you should have put that extra 500 in, and maybe more. Your goal should be to reraise the largest amount that the looser player will call because
1. you have his range crushed and
2. he will have a harder time to fold postflop when he flops a pair and you flop an overpair because you have built a bigger pot
Yes ur 3 betting for value here. And to charge them for playing in position vs you. Nothing wrong with 2500 if u think he's going to call off 10 percent of his stack with 86s
He has at most 12 combos of 7x if we give him A7s,K7s,97s, 87s 76s 75s which of course crush us
that is a 70-12 ratio conservatively.
That is a rough range and I believe that it is much wider based on what I have read so far, but I am trying to keep it simple.
He is older, so I wouldn't be surprised if he were to raise TJo or 55 here to "see where he was at" (which btw, I think is horrible to do in any form of NL) and then fold when you ship it in. That being said, you could make an argument for a call, and then check call any turn card. But the problem with that is when the turn bricks, he will probably check back a flush draw, (which is a good 25% of his range) and potentially give him a free chance to out draw you.
Folding is 100% out of the question.
He could have aces, and based on the creation of this thread, I'm gonna say that's the hand he has here.
But to fold here would be like passing on a 12 point favorite that is +150 on the moneyline.
This is atleast his second 3 bet of the session and against the same player. I can easily see some 65 year old man labeling Reb as a bully here, calling the raise with some suited hand or ATo or 99, taking the flop, and then saying to himself. "I have a pair, he has AK, I don't want him to catch, I raise!"