Fantasy help

Brady

would you accept this trade;
i trade gates and get dallas clark and derrick ward.
i already have jacobs.

Flaggy03

Brady wrote:

would you accept this trade;
i trade gates and get dallas clark and derrick ward.
i already have jacobs.

I wouldn't accept this deal as Gates is now healthy and should have a huge second half of the season. Dallas is a go-to guy, but with Gonzalez getting a lot of throws, Clark wont be a big point scorer. Also, if you have Jacobs, I wouldnt worry about having 2/3 of the GMen running attack. When the Giants have to throw the ball (they have to trail eventually), Jabobs will get the bulk of the carries, if not all.

Brady

thanks, that did it for me and thats the way i was leaning anyways.

HowardBeal

i would have taken that trade in a heartbeat

gates is not fully healthy, he is going to be nagged all season, dallas clark is only a very small downgrade at tight end anyway......and derrick ward is a must have for a jacobs owner considering his running style, and the potential ward would have if jacobs went down

Flaggy03

Seriously? You c'annot dump Gates on the notion that "maybe Jacobs will go down and I'll have his backup." That's just foolish. As far as Gates, there is no question he's more healthy now then he has been all season. You can see this on every play as his first move is much better, allowing him to get more separation on routes. Gates will have at least 5 TD's in the second half of the season...

HowardBeal

there is not that much seperation between gates and dallas clark even if gates were 100 %, which he isnt........and ward is putting up flex type numbers with jacobs playing.....depending on the size of you rleague, ward is a spot starter without jacobs getting hurt and a top 8 back if he does go down, or if the giants rest him in those last weeks before the playoffs

Flaggy03

Ward is not a Top 8 RB in any league (pending Jabobs gets hurt).

Here are 8 better backs...

Portis
S. Jackson
Forte
Tomlinson
Willie Parker (when healthy)
Barber
Westbrook
Peterson

And that's not even counting Larry Johnson who is having some off the field problems right now.

HowardBeal

but it all depends on what you think gates is going to be for the rest of the season.....if you think he returns to dominence like flaggy does, then by all means do not make the trade.....but if he is going to only slightly improve, then I don't know if Dallas Clark isnt an upgrade, especially with Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd and a healthy Chambers all working into the offense now

HowardBeal

you would not rather have ward as the sole back in a giants offense that has run wild all season over matt forte?????

HowardBeal

which is really beside the point of the deal, the point is you are not giving up that much with gates.....you really arent

HowardBeal

The giants have run for almost 1300 yards and 9 touchdowns this season........forte 641 and 4

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Brady

I would try to get

Brady
Maroney
Pats D

HowardBeal

show me anyone of those guys with 1300 yards and 9 tds, because that is what ward's potential becomes if jacobs goes down

and reggie is hurt, lynch is splitting carries with freddie jax, addai is awful, lj isnt going to play again, and lt is struggling.....michael turner should have been on the list, but you guys need to stop placing value on these players becuase of where they were ranked and drafted and start looking at their production

Flaggy03

Production? If you look at upcoming weeks and the injury to Orton, what do you think the Bears will be doing? I'll tell you it's not throwing 50 times a game with Rexy. It's giving Forte 25-30 carries a game and letting him produce like hes capable of doing.

As far as LT, his production is down, but so isnt it for most running backs this year. Besides Portis, LenDale and Jacobs....the RB numbers arent that great. It's been a high scoring and QB/WR league through 8 weeks.

Dallas Clark, although a good TE, isnt going to be getting as many throws with Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, and an emerging Anthony Gonzalez. Combine that with a RB combo of Addai/Rhodes...there just isnt a lot of room for Dallas besides 3rd down options. Granted, he'll get his 4-5 catches a game...but not many TDs.

All in all....there is no question that Gates is healthier and a step quicker than he was 4 weeks ago. And to trade away Gates at this time, I feel would be a mistake. Your whole argument is based on IFFFFFFF Jacobs gets injured....which I dont forsee.

HowardBeal

my final point.......unless Gates blows up and plays like he did TWO years ago, you are not losing all that much with dallas clark as you tight end......and you have the potenital to gain so much more at running back

now, if you are in an eight team league and your third back is michael turner, than by all means, dont take the trade....but if you are in a 12 team or greater league, where if jacobs were to go down (which isnt that big of an if) and then you would be stuck going to a darren sproles, or cedric benson, or fred taylor, or julius jones.....then you absolutely MUST make the trade

if you fall somewhere in the middle, then it is a tough call.....but I always go towards a POTENTIAL stud, then hoping someone who is underperforming will turn it around

Brady

Bookiefits wrote:

Brady

I would try to get

Brady
Maroney
Pats D

its still good to have a team thayactually competes
funny how every "sharp" sports fan hands the division to Buffalo after week 2.

HowardBeal

i was curious as to if you listened to me about this trade brady? I think you would be in better shape if you had, especially with the playoff matchups dallas clark has