Andrew Luck Clearly Rookie of the Year
cabster13
Senior Member
What an incredible finish in Detroit for Luck and the Colts. I know all the RGIII hype but Andrew Luck seens the clear winner at this point in the season!
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agreed.
Hey Newcombe how bout those Huskers of yours? I was at the game here in Indy last night and the Huskers were a total JOKE!
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Clearly this was meant to be a joke, relax cabster.
Super close w RGIII though, it hasnt been decided just yet.
Appreciate the feedback on the huskers cab. good usage of CAPS. you're always so full of positive energy
quality showing vs the pats
Why is this a joke? I know pretty much nothing about it, but looking at the raw stats...
Luck 13 td 13 INT 3205 yards 56.8% Completion 71.6 QBR 183 rushing yards
Wilson 17 td 8 INT 2051 yards 63.6 completion 65.3 QBR 227 rushing yards
And then Griffin (stats with 1 less game played)
16 TD 4 int 2497 yards 67.4 completion 72.1 QBR 642 rushing yards
Doesnt look like it should really be close
clear winner? not sure about that
Thank you sir for some common sense, not sure why everything has to be "clearly", "obvious", "rediculous" etc. i think this about sums it up but I personally dont have Wilson in the mix.
not a lot of common sense in that gun but everyone's entitled to their opinions.
Luck 21 TD 18 INT 54.3% COMP 4183 yards (6.98 AVG 75.6 QBR. 254 rushing yards 5 TD
Wilson 25 TD 10 INT 63.4% COMP 2868 yards (7.67 AVG) 98 QBR. 431 rushing yards 3 TD
RG3 20 TD 5 INT 66.4% COMP 3100 yards (8.27 AVG) 104.1 QBR 752 rushing yards 6 TD
How in the hell is Luck favored here? He has the most yards because his team has attempted 225 more passes then either of the other guys? Yes he has more then 1000 more yards passing but is averaging worse yards per attempt! When Luck wins this award it just shows that these awards literally dont matter because the guys voting for them are so clueless.
Yea... pretty amazing really. I don't usually like to muddy the waters with talk like this because I don't like when others do, but there is clearly a sprinkle of racism in this. There always is with these Geriatrics. The problem is that half of the 80 year old voters absolutely PINE for the "good old days" and try to put some ridiculous premium on doing things the way they have been done in the past. Andrew Luck is simply their Roger Staubach/Joe Theisman/Namath etc etc. It doesnt matter who is better, it matters who does things the way they are used to them being done. You know, like being white.
RGIII: 71.1
Wilson: 70.0
Luck: 64.6
Amazingly, Luck has the highest run EPA adjustment of the lot and RGIII the lowest which should be even more of a tip of the cap to RGIII's arm.
Im not sure what is better indicator QBR or "RATE" which ESPN uses and thats what I quoted in my post. RG 104.3 Wilson 98 Luck 75.6
A rookie QB takes a 2-14 franchise with little to no talent on offense to the playoffs and his season isn't that good? That's funny.
Really an argument could be made for all 3, but I think Luck did the most with the LEAST TALENT around him.
Despite that, RG3's lack of making mistakes would give him a slight edge for me. Wilson's defense WON SEATTLE GAMES THIS YEAR....don't think Luck or RG3 could say that. For me it goes......
RG3 by a ----hair
Luck
Wilson
Agree with most of this. I have Luck over RG3, because Luck was asked to do so much more for his team. If you take the QB position away from all 3 teams, Indy is far and away the worst team. Their best RB (Ballard) was 21st in the league, while Morris was 2nd and Lynch was 3rd. In addition, RG3 missed some time with injuries and in those games the backup 4th round rookie led them to a 4th quarter comeback over a playoff team and threw for over 300 yards and 2 touchdowns while completing 70% of his passes in his only full game.
I would venture to say that with Henne, Sanchez, Quinn, or any of those other scrubs, Morris would not have had that kind of year.
Fear of RG3's MULTIPLE WAYS to beat you, led to Morris's big year I believe.
I won't feel ANYONE is robbed when they announce it, They all deserve it.
This is my favorite anti-Luck stat....
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2012/seasontype/2
Sandwiched in between Gabbert and Tannahill...
Of the 32 qb's on this list, only Chad Henne had a worse completion %.
Only Stafford Brees Romo Brady had more attempts
2nd most INT in NFL
I just dont think you can ignore all of this and say 2-12 to 11-5=MVP. Its a 16 game sample, and nobody is taking into account strength of schedule etc. Also you have to weigh just how bad Kerry Collins Curtis Painter Dan Orvslosky were. So many factors here I just think the 16 game sample as far as record goes should be about the last one that goes into it.
But every single team the Colts' played this season knew the ONLY WAY they would lose is if Luck beat them. You can't say that about Washington and Seattle. See for example the Redskins' win last night. RG3 didn't play that well and they still beat a solid team to make the playoffs. If Luck went 9-18 for 100 yards the Colts would lose by 3 touchdowns. Every defense Luck went against was focused on stopping him and their below average WR core, i.e., they were playing the pass. The Colts had no running game, absolutely none. The knock on GB last year was they had no balance and "it's too hard to win just by throwing". It was ultimately their demise in the playoffs, as they were extremely one dimensional. So shouldn't that say something about Luck? Despite every defense knowing Luck was going to drop back and pass time and time again, he was still able to throw for over 4,000 yards and lead a 2-14 team to the playoffs? Yes, I agree RG3 deserves credit for being dual-threat, but at the same time he has the #2 running back in the NFL and was playing in an amazing system that Shannahan put together (who is known for producing 1,000 yard rushers at will). If you took Kirk Cousins and played him on the Colts against Cleveland, I bet he doesn't have nearly the success he did in Washington. Wilson also reaped the benefits of a top-tier running back and great defense and VERY high percentage passes.
So they threw a lot and he got 4374 yards because of it. Stafford threw a lot and got 4967 yards. I dont really see your point. Luck was 17th in Yards/attempt.
And he threw 18 picks because he threw so much. I don't really see your point.