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is the crowd a real advantage in baseball?

MrAdvantageMrAdvantage Senior Member
edited January 2020 in Sports Betting
a friend and i are arguing if the home crowd is an advantage in baseball, particularly, in the playoffs ty in advance.
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  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    personally i think none at all
  • StackAttackStackAttack Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Agreed ^^^
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Home crowd is usually synonymous with home team.....YES
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    so i guess when the yankees are playing in tampa or balt , the odds are reduced because of those home crowd advantages ?
    I think if you have a baseball model , and are using , say , home team records ,i would think the crowd/non crowd is built into that. So i change my answer to no/yes
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    a friend and i are arguing if the home crowd is an advantage in baseball, particularly, in the playoffs ty in advance.

    The crowd is probably minimal. The home field is substantial. People probably equate the home crowd as adding an air of energy for the home team but the reality is that the home field advantage would still exist in an empty stadium and probably be even larger.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    The crowd is probably minimal. The home field is substantial. People probably equate the home crowd as adding an air of energy for the home team but the reality is that the home field advantage would still exist in an empty stadium and probably be even larger.

    Could you give me your rationale with the last sentence?
  • baseballbaseball Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    when it's a tie game, bottom of the 9th, three balls, two strikes, the home crowd is on their feet and they are cheering.

    the home batter assumes that they are cheering for him.

    the road pitcher assumes that they are cheering against him.

    if the road pitcher would convince himself that they are cheering for him, rather than against him, then this should neutralize any perceived edge/lift the home crowd is providing the home batter.

    oppositely, tie game, top of the 9th, three balls, two strikes, the home crowd is on their feet and they are cheering.

    the road batter assumes they are cheering against him.

    again, why? just pretend they're cheering for you.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Please read what your saying a few times. Home field advantage. Let’s start off with noise. Pop ups, outfield fly balls between two players need to hear. How about bunts crowds can get loud. There’s others don’t have time you think of others. Great football advantage the snap count the offense line needs to hear the snap count that’s a huge advantage knowing the snap count as long as you can hear it. Changing plays at the line you say hand signals I say good luck. Hoops every gym has shadows know where there are also some gyms have dead spots also some places play hockey and then basketballIs. Is it a coincidence that most teams in sports have winning home records. Yes there is a home field advantage and some are better then others unless bookmakers have been wrong all these years.
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    The crowd is probably minimal. The home field is substantial. People probably equate the home crowd as adding an air of energy for the home team but the reality is that the home field advantage would still exist in an empty stadium and probably be even larger.

    An empty stadium basically creates a dead environment and makes the already disadvantaged situation worse by eliminating any increased playing level created by crowd intensity which is not much but likely some. So you would be slightly more likely to be blown off the field.

    The crowd does make some difference such as causing a player to miss a free throw here and there. On the other hand, it can increase the playing level of the road team by creating a higher intensity level.

    I would not recommend you think too much about this Ronbets. It is all very complicated and not something you are likely to comprehend.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    An empty stadium basically creates a dead environment and makes the already disadvantaged situation worse by eliminating any increased playing level created by crowd intensity which is not much but likely some. So you would be slightly more likely to be blown off the field.

    The crowd does make some difference such as causing a player to miss a free throw here and there. On the other hand, it can increase the playing level of the road team by creating a higher intensity level.

    I would not recommend you think too much about this Ronbets. It is all very complicated and not something you are likely to comprehend.

    Usually I get a snap reply post from you. Shocking ! Did you check your text books for a reply? LAME. You mighta retired at 40...but not in this business. Maybe the USArmy.
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Usually I get a snap reply post from you. Shocking ! Did you check your text books for a reply? LAME. You mighta retired at 40...but not in this business. Maybe the USArmy.

    Stick to booking bets Ronbets. Handicapping is not your bag.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    Stick to booking bets Ronbets. Handicapping is not your bag.

    I'd love to book your action. Unfortunately this might not occur. I can tell you this for sure, you wouldn't get paid on any accidental upside down line. That's called stealing and you seem to endorse it.
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    I'd love to book your action. Unfortunately this might not occur. I can tell you this for sure, you wouldn't get paid on any accidental upside down line. That's called stealing and you seem to endorse it.

    No, you wouldn't. I drive a hard bargain.
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Oh, and by the way Ronbets, I believe the NJ regulator said that if NJ sportsbooks are expecting him to save them on their bad lines and claiming "theft," they had better think twice.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    Oh, and by the way Ronbets, I believe the NJ regulator said that if NJ sportsbooks are expecting him to save them on their bad lines and claiming "theft," they had better think twice.
    Source? David Copperfield?
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    This is great PR to gain public trust. Here's the cleaner:
    “There will be times when we possibly come down on the side of an operator for a mistake that they made that would have significant consequences should we not, if others may be taking advantage of them,”

    Long Horn, next you'll be linking me articles stating O'Rourke will beat Cruz.:surprised:
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    This is great PR to gain public trust. Here's the cleaner:
    “There will be times when we possibly come down on the side of an operator for a mistake that they made that would have significant consequences should we not, if others may be taking advantage of them,”

    Long Horn, next you'll be linking me articles stating O'Rourke will beat Cruz.:surprised:

    That is the way you want to read it. But will turn out that way I am sure in the end. Pretty strong statement otherwise, however.

    Give me decent odds on Cruz and I will back up the truck if you want some of my action.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    That is the way you want to read it. But will turn out that way I am sure in the end. Pretty strong statement otherwise, however.

    Give me decent odds on Cruz and I will back up the truck if you want some of my action.

    I already layed -190 on Cruz. Also layed -190 on Cramer in NDK and Tester -360 in Montana. You wanna book some of that?
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    I already layed -190 on Cruz. Also layed -190 on Cramer in NDK and Tester -360 in Montana. You wanna book some of that?

    -190? Where did you get that?
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Private off screen during the time when Fox News was panicking about a close Senate Race in TX.
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Private off screen during the time when Fox News was panicking about a close Senate Race in TX.

    Tell me another one.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Laura Ingraham Angle.
    You like that # huh?
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Did your bookie vote for Joe Biden 2008?
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    R40 wrote: »
    Did your bookie vote for Joe Biden 2008?

    Now u r going from backpedaling to silliness.
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Now u r going from backpedaling to silliness.

    I haven't backpedaled.

    Now trying to hand me Cruz -190. That's just plain silly.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    I even played Cruz @-200. For a wager I can print that out. Say a friendly nickel?
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Cmon R40, where is the 'snap' reply?
  • R40R40 Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    I even played Cruz @-200. For a wager I can print that out. Say a friendly nickel?

    Where did you get -200? You said you were betting off screen.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I can't take such a bad bet from you. You would say I was stealing from you.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited October 2018
    The -190 was off screen. The 2-1 was PPH. You're whimping out. Bet your convictions and stop the silliness.
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