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  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    I agree with what your saying about Judge 100% His height is his disadvantage. He needs to use right field and he'll be fine. They're kids who burst on the scene and now will have to work on there weaknesses and improve on their strengths. The spotlight is large in New York and LA and given time both of these young ballplayers will do a very good job.

    The one thing I noticed in Bellinger that I didn't notice in Judge was his body language. Judge was frustrated as was Bellinger but Bellinger really show it and I got the impression he just gave up. But as you say he's 21 and has many years of growing up and learning. To pass judgement on these two ballplayers at this point is for lack of a better word silly.
    I don't remember Trout having this much trouble. Of course teams found holes but they were quickly filled if I remember right.
  • StevieYStevieY Senior Handicapper
    edited November 2017
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    I agree with what your saying about Judge 100% His height is his disadvantage. He needs to use right field and he'll be fine. They're kids who burst on the scene and now will have to work on there weaknesses and improve on their strengths. The spotlight is large in New York and LA and given time both of these young ballplayers will do a very good job.

    The one thing I noticed in Bellinger that I didn't notice in Judge was his body language. Judge was frustrated as was Bellinger but Bellinger really show it and I got the impression he just gave up. But as you say he's 21 and has many years of growing up and learning. To pass judgement on these two ballplayers at this point is for lack of a better word silly.
    I don't remember Trout having this much trouble. Of course teams found holes but they were quickly filled if I remember right.
    2nd half 2014 season. His overall numbers still were great even though it was his worst season in the majors.

    Pre all star .310-.606-1.005
    Post all star .257-.502-.849

    Now an .849 OPS would be fine for most but for Trout, it is noticeable. Make that a full year and people would be asking what is wrong with him. I was still playing back then so I would get home just in time for the Angels to start and he struck out a ton on high fastballs. He couldn't lay off it. I think that was the year he struck out 184 times. You will not hit .300 consistently striking out 180 times a year. He cut it back down by laying off that pitch most of the time.

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  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Yes and I believe he had more walks this year then Strike outs. Something like 96 walks and 92 K's if I remember right. To lazy to look it up right now. He's getting better if that's possible lol. Would love to see him on a legit contender.

    Nice seeing well talking to you anyway.
  • namathfannamathfan Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Interesting stuff Stevie, thanks.
  • Gordon GekkoGordon Gekko Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Question: If I was looking for site for percentage of wagers placed, not money, which site would one recommend to be fairly accurate?
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    Padre (LH) stopper Hand has not given up a hit to a lefthander all season. Wicked slider.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    Most Vegas sportsbooks are exposed to serious liability if VGK wins the Cup.
    Laugh of the Day:
    This from MG, from a family of long time casino owners. Paraphrasing, "Oh, I don't care about the money. It's good for the town." The statement from a organization that sweated money down to the green chips:sweatdrop: I guess we all wanna be Vegas Patriots.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    The little Japanese general that manages the Dodgers is slowly wearing out his welcome. Managing by instinct is becoming more and more extinct. Blunders are multiplying.
  • TommyLTommyL Super Moderator
    edited May 2018
    The following sequence just happened between the two announcers doing the Boise St-Washington softball game on ESPNU (and the fact that I'm watching this game at 1:19am with no rooting interest just proves that I'd pretty much watch any live sporting event over anything else I can find on TV).

    To set the scene...Washington is up 5-0 in the top of the 5th. Boise had 1st and 2nd with no outs, and a 3-0 count. I swear to God that I just transcribed this word for word:

    PBP Announcer: "And again, Plain can't find the zone. Three and O...Any chance you swing 3 and O if you're Cervantes?"
    Color Announcer: "No, not after, what is it, a four pitch walk to the batter prior...You have to remember, Home Runs are rally killers."
    PBP: "You've got to start it all over again, you're right"
    Color: "A lot of people make fun of me, they're like, no they're not, you just want runs, and I'm like, no, when you're down by more than the amount of runs that the Home Run would put up on the board, then, I think they're rally killers. You want a couple of hits."
    PBP: "I agree with you on that."
    Color: "Yea"

    Ground out, strikeout, ground out, and it's 5-0 heading to the bottom of the 5th...
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited May 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Padre (LH) stopper Hand has not given up a hit to a lefthander all season. Wicked slider.

    The streak is over. Pit lefty Dickerson leads of the 9th with a double. Hand strands him to get the 4 out save. One stretch in the 9th he threw 13 of 15 pitches sliders.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited June 2018
    You kinda know that things are going bad for the Pittsburgh Pirates when last night they lost on fireworks night.:lol: Then today they hold a bobble-head giveaway for Sean Rodriguez. Their marquee guy is hitting 7 for 77 versus righties this year. He went 0 for 4 today with 2 Ks.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited June 2018
    The little Japanese General Dave Roberts claims fame as the modern day GSparky Anderson. You gotta win something Dave to be the new Captain Hook.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    Do you think the Matt Harvey collapse was aided by the inept Met organization?

    Analytics agree with the Tampa Bay experiment using bullpen committee.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    Ronbets wrote: »
    Do you think the Matt Harvey collapse was aided by the inept Met organization?

    Analytics agree with the Tampa Bay experiment using bullpen committee.

    I heard the tail end of an interview saying he started that because he didn't have enough starting pitching. Something along those lines didn't get it all. It remains to be seen how the staff holds up and the team does.
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    OT lots of talk about harvey coming back to the yanks..
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    jets96 wrote: »
    OT lots of talk about harvey coming back to the yanks..

    Who Harvey? Matt Harvey was with the Mets and Please say it ain't so Joe the Yanks could do without him. I believe he's a done deal deal. They both didn't look good today but I'll take Happ or Hamels either Leftie.
  • munson15munson15 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    Who Harvey? Matt Harvey was with the Mets and Please say it ain't so Joe the Yanks could do without him. I believe he's a done deal deal. They both didn't look good today but I'll take Happ or Hamels either Leftie.

    Hamels would be more likely to survive the pressure cooker in NY, given a choice I'd get him...look what Happ did in his 'audition' this weekend...
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    The media(all forms) have over-hyped the hell outta Jimmy G. The inside word is out on his 'tells'. When it's a passing play he taps the ball once with his left hand. Otherwise, it's some type of ground play.
    Let's see what he does after a full season before we induct him into the HOF.
  • danshandanshan Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    I think he is the real deal but that is a really tough division and will be hard to pound out a lot of meaningful wins and I think if he wins 7 that is awesome and I think if he is a top 15 QB that is awesome too, I wish him the best!
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    Surprise, Cardinals fire concussion-ridden Matheny.
  • jammerjammer Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    munson15 wrote: »
    Hamels would be more likely to survive the pressure cooker in NY, given a choice I'd get him...look what Happ did in his 'audition' this weekend...

    The Yanks should put a package deal together for DeGrom. Sheffield, Andujar and Frazier. Think about it, Andujar has been hot for three months, which actually makes him tradeable, Frazier will never see that outfield, and Sheffield. DeGrom is the best pitcher in baseball right now, becomes your #1A starter, and is under control for another two years.
    Instead, the Yanks will get Happ or Hamels, who will become their #4 starter, and might not see a post season start.
    I am not sure why the Yanks would consider giving up prospects for a 3 month rental in Machado. They don't need him, the line up is solid. If they want Machado, save your prospects and throw $250 million at him in the off-season.
  • StJoes0610StJoes0610 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    I agree. If you’re gonna trade for someone, trade for jake and you get two more years too. Plus, he said he’s open to an extension because he’s willing to take a little less for the security of a long term deal. Also, jake is the kind of pitcher who will age well I believe. He can pitch not just throw.
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    never going to happen, degrom will win a world series for the yankees if that happened , mets cant afford that right now...
    id love to have him though , and they would have to give up a lot for him ,which is always part of the equation.

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    stjoe you going to medowlands to check out the sportsbook ? i remember your in cherry hill i think, you might be closer to monmouth ,it would
    take me about half hour to get to the track
  • munson15munson15 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    jammer wrote: »
    The Yanks should put a package deal together for DeGrom. Sheffield, Andujar and Frazier. Think about it, Andujar has been hot for three months, which actually makes him tradeable, Frazier will never see that outfield, and Sheffield. DeGrom is the best pitcher in baseball right now, becomes your #1A starter, and is under control for another two years.
    Instead, the Yanks will get Happ or Hamels, who will become their #4 starter, and might not see a post season start.
    I am not sure why the Yanks would consider giving up prospects for a 3 month rental in Machado. They don't need him, the line up is solid. If they want Machado, save your prospects and throw $250 million at him in the off-season.

    I agree on deGrom but the Mets can't do it without the fans burning down the executive offices at Citi Field...agree completely on Machado for the exact same reasons you mentioned.
  • jammerjammer Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    The Mets should listen to some offers. I would at least offer that if I were the Yanks, then stick Drury at third. They have plenty of money to sign Machado next year, even if it put them a little over the luxury tax. They have so many good young players that are making nothing right now.

    I'm not sure why the Sox are in the running for Machado. I'm a Sox fan, but who would they even give up? They, like the Yanks, need pitching more than anything. Who do you trust in the playoffs other than Sale at this point. Their bullpen is shaky as well. These guys would be going up against loaded lineups against the Yanks, Indians and Astros. I actually trust Tanaka in the playoffs more than a Price or Porcello at this point.
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    cashman is a pretty smart dude, has put the yankees in a position to win for a pretty long time , tanaka is a pitch away from having tommy john , montgomery wont be back anytime soon, the babies arent ready yet to come up and pitch , cc , not sure what his deal is , i can see him coming back on a one year deal again,he is old and he still has to go aug and sept when its really going to count, we need pitching bad, we need someone for the long haul and cashman wants to stay under that cap, going to be interesting to see what he puts together but he isnt giving up the farm.

    Side note LOL i think of my jets working the same model as the yanks, getting better with youth , and they will have close to 100 grand again next year in cap space, am NOT a homey but jets over 5.5 seems to me not such a bad play , ill wait a little , and i have the whole season doped out already ,it would be close ,see if the kid starts the season ,then for sure not touching it...Mcgown starts ill have to look at the ,mia buff and ne situations first ,sorry to put you though that.
  • jammerjammer Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    Cashman has done a nice job over the past few years. Hard to tell what decisions he actually makes versus the Yankees brass. Did he really want Stanton's 10 year contract? I know he was against the AROD extension but got overruled. I think management saw $$$ as he chased the home run record before all the steroid stuff came out. Ellsbury and Headley signings weren't some of his finer moments. I'm not sure how challenging his job is considering he's basically had an open checkbook. Yankees have been over 200 million in payroll every year but this year. That was a huge advantage back in the day, although teams seem to be catching up and spending more to cut the gap. They have won 1 world series since 2002, and this is what they have paid in luxury tax over that time for having such a high payroll.

    But the Yankees, who came within nine innings of returning to the World Series for the first time since winning it in 2009, paid $15.7 million in tax for the 2017 season, according to the Associated Press. It is the 15th straight year the Yankees paid and have been taxed $341 million since the current tax plan was introduced in 2002.
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    I think THE STICK had a big say in what the yankees did , he had a lot of pull, big loss for the yanks when he passed ,and i loved watching him as a kid , i think it was he that did the hidden ball trick first.
  • jammerjammer Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    jets96 wrote: »
    I think THE STICK had a big say in what the yankees did , he had a lot of pull, big loss for the yanks when he passed ,and i loved watching him as a kid , i think it was he that did the hidden ball trick first.

    The best thing that ever happened to the Yankees was when Stienbrenner got suspended in the early 90's, Stick Michael and Buck Showalter built that team up and the farm system as well. That team was ready to win in the mid 90's. If George didn't make a snap decision to fire Buck after the Yanks playoff loss in 95, it would have been him, and not Torre, winning all those World Series.
  • jets96jets96 Senior Member
    edited July 2018
    i think i agree with that , stick has done so much for the organization , up to the end
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