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TortugaTortuga Moderator
edited March 2017 in Sports Betting
Fezzik Bet Like a Pro tracking by ComptrBob
http://pregame.com/pregame-forums/f/14/t/1276577.aspx
Starting today, Steve Fezzik’s Bet Like a Pro results will be tracked and documented by ComptrBob.

Bob is an impartial third party with a long history of pick tracking. He has earned the trust of many in the sports betting community.

Bob will receive Fezzik’s plays identically to the BLAP subscribers (exact same fashion, exact same time). Bob will log the plays regularly in this thread (typically daily) and will tally the results. The results will continue to include the LIFETIME RESULTS of the BLAP program (just as they always have).

Complexity

A topic that always deserves attention when it comes to record tracking is the spreads/odds being used for grading. If the odds used for grading are not available to the typical player, then the resulting W/L record will look better than it should. Pregame.com’s strict general policy is at least half of the representative sportsbooks must have the spread available at the time the pick is made. This allows followers to be confident that they will be able to achieve a result AT LEAST AS GOOD as the record promoted.

BLAP members are making the effort to bet like a professional – which means more asked from them. As a result, the standard with BLAP is the odds must be available from at least 30% of representative sportsbooks.

Most of the time it’s obvious whether a line being used is fair or not. Sometimes it’s a close call. ComptrBob will make the final judgement whenever necessary. This will ensure that Fezzik’s record is accurate in every way.

Another area of complexity is the availability of non-standard bets. Some of the bet types used by Fezzik to help BLAP followers earn a profit are not as easily available in the market place as standard bet types. The key question is: can followers reasonably get down. Steve makes a strong effort to release only bets that followers can get down. Sometimes it’s a close call. ComptrBob will make the final judgement whenever necessary. This will ensure that Fezzik’s record is accurate in every way.

Conclusion

I believe that the starting point of a bettor’s decision to use expert information is trust. If you don’t trust the source, information is useless. Pregame works very hard to provide reliable game logs and records – empowering bettors to decide which of our experts are worth following. BLAP tracking is an extra complex endeavor. We are proud of the job done so to date (complete prior history here) and are extremely optimistic about this continuing with ComptrBob. Bob has asked for no compensation for his effort (another sign of his impartiality). Fezzik’s pick results are followed by many, and Bob’s efforts to continue making sure that Steve’s records are accurate is contribution to the industry. He deserves our thanks.
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Comments

  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    To illustrate my point from the 'Welcome' thread, here are a couple of questions I have when I see this:

    - BettingTalk linking to Pregame?
    - Fezzik is a documented lifetime loser, a past-poster and scammer
    - BLAP doesn't have any subscribers
  • kanekane Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    Welcome Tortuga, it will be interesting to see how Fezz does now that he's being tracked by ComputrBob. One thing I don't agree with is the part about including his lifetime record of BLAP. Since no one knows how accurate his previous records are, I think Fezz should start fresh and only count the plays CB gets, but at least going forward there shouldn't be any issue.
  • TortugaTortuga Moderator
    edited August 2015
    Obi One wrote: »
    - BettingTalk linking to Pregame?

    Obi, my goal with this thread is to share threads that may interest Betting Talk readers, no matter where they come from. Others should feel free to share, too.
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited August 2015
    Obi One wrote: »
    To illustrate my point from the 'Welcome' thread, here are a couple of questions I have when I see this:

    - BettingTalk linking to Pregame?
    - Fezzik is a documented lifetime loser, a past-poster and scammer
    - BLAP doesn't have any subscribers

    We're willing to link to other forums for the purpose of this thread. Most people are aware of them or could easily find them if compelled enough to do so.

    As for the last two, those are interesting points to discuss that pertain to the original post. That is the whole idea.
  • Dr. HDr. H Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    Obi One wrote: »
    To illustrate my point from the 'Welcome' thread, here are a couple of questions I have when I see this:

    - BettingTalk linking to Pregame?
    - Fezzik is a documented lifetime loser, a past-poster and scammer
    - BLAP doesn't have any subscribers

    My thoughts almost exactly. It looks like an advertisement for Fezzik, who is a coin flipper at best, a big time documented loser, and nothing more than fraud and a scam artist in the eyes of many, including my own. Why is he being promoted here?
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    We all know that pregame is a BS place unless it's changed recently by getting rid of Vegas Runner and Philly Godfather. Yes Fezz won back to back Hilton contest but he'll be the first to tell you he bet stale lines and got very lucky so more power to him. He's an admitted follower and does no work himself he has a guy he follows for total's I don't remember his name he also had a service not really good but Fezz would use his plays. I don't have any problem with what's going to happen here and it will open up discussions and to have Computer Bob tracking plays here just doesn't get any better then that. I think we all know what Fezz is so I don't believe Edward is promoting him.
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    RightAngle wrote: »
    We're willing to link to other forums for the purpose of this thread.

    That's great,
    It's just that Pregame doesn't solicit any respect from most bettors. :laughing:
    This is more a 'Pregame' issue than a 'linking' issue.
    RightAngle wrote: »
    As for the last two, those are interesting points to discuss that pertain to the original post. That is the whole idea.

    Understood.
  • Dr. HDr. H Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    We all know that pregame is a BS place unless it's changed recently by getting rid of Vegas Runner and Philly Godfather. Yes Fezz won back to back Hilton contest but he'll be the first to tell you he bet stale lines and got very lucky so more power to him. He's an admitted follower and does no work himself he has a guy he follows for total's I don't remember his name he also had a service not really good but Fezz would use his plays. I don't have any problem with what's going to happen here and it will open up discussions and to have Computer Bob tracking plays here just doesn't get any better then that. I think we all know what Fezz is so I don't believe Edward is promoting him.

    CB is legit, for sure.

    Promoting might be the wrong word, but any publicity is good publicity, just spell my name right, etc. I just found it odd that one of the very first posts made by the new moderator was discussing Fezzik and his "new record" which isn't really new since he's including BLAP records which are known to be completely fraudulent. We'll see how it all plays out.
  • TortugaTortuga Moderator
    edited August 2015
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    We all know that pregame is a BS place unless it's changed recently by getting rid of Vegas Runner and Philly Godfather. Yes Fezz won back to back Hilton contest but he'll be the first to tell you he bet stale lines and got very lucky so more power to him. He's an admitted follower and does no work himself he has a guy he follows for total's I don't remember his name he also had a service not really good but Fezz would use his plays. I don't have any problem with what's going to happen here and it will open up discussions and to have Computer Bob tracking plays here just doesn't get any better then that. I think we all know what Fezz is so I don't believe Edward is promoting him.

    Thanks Old-Timer. That's what the goal is. I'm not trying to endorse or promote anyone. I'm just trying to pass along anything that people here might want to discuss.
  • kdogkdog Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    We all know that pregame is a BS place unless it's changed recently by getting rid of Vegas Runner and Philly Godfather. Yes Fezz won back to back Hilton contest but he'll be the first to tell you he bet stale lines and got very lucky so more power to him. He's an admitted follower and does no work himself he has a guy he follows for total's I don't remember his name he also had a service not really good but Fezz would use his plays. I don't have any problem with what's going to happen here and it will open up discussions and to have Computer Bob tracking plays here just doesn't get any better then that. I think we all know what Fezz is so I don't believe Edward is promoting him.

    Charlie J is the totals guy he uses and the service he's been copying for years is Dr. Bob.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    Doc makes a good point but in the interest of the forum and the guys here and I'm so tired of the Good Lucks and handshakes (Most other places) Good people there but this is still the best forum so lets give it a try. You'll hear about it one way or another people aren't afraid to speak there mind here. just so you know I use there not their for everything.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    kdog wrote: »
    Charlie J is the totals guy he uses and the service he's been copying for years is Dr. Bob.

    Yes Charlie J. Did I ever tell many years ago I won a contest (March Madness from some forum put up by Charlie J and the prize was 1k but I didn't know it was for One month of his service. I charted him and he was brutal so bad he gave me an extra month like I really played them. I won 1K and thought it was cash.
  • golfer1000golfer1000 Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    I think it's a decent idea to link a few interesting topics from other forums to start discussion here. But, anything linked to Fezzik or about Fezzik, most likely carries less weight then one of my bitch threads��
  • golfer1000golfer1000 Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    But I do like the idea in general.
  • groovinmahoovingroovinmahoovin Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    Just a heads up to the mods that this old thread from Apr 1st is mistakenly displaying "today" as the date.
  • BetThemDogsBetThemDogs Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    Doc makes a good point but in the interest of the forum and the guys here and I'm so tired of the Good Lucks and handshakes (Most other places) Good people there but this is still the best forum so lets give it a try. You'll hear about it one way or another people aren't afraid to speak there mind here. just so you know I use there not their for everything.

    It's about time we cleaned up the grammer on this forum-- not to mention the speling.
  • TortugaTortuga Moderator
    edited August 2015
    Sportsbook.ag... Never again
    https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/3gjf01/sportsbookag_never_again/
    I just never had a good experience with these guys. Customer service wise.
    First time I withdrew I couldn't cash the check because there was no chase around where I was and it wouldn't accept a mobile deposit.. Once I explained to them they told me I would basically need to figure it out within 40 days or my money goes bye bye. I barely got it in time as I drove to a whole different fucking state to find the nearest chase. (Only 90 min drive but still).
    The second time I tried withdrawing, I actually got a notification today saying my check is coming.. When I requested it April 15. 117 days ago.
    Once I cash this check I'll be released from this devil book and I'll continue using 5dimes or even bovada. Both have cashed me out no problem within a week.
    NEVER AGAIN SPORTSBOOK.



    Sportsbook.ag Behind on $221,786 in Payouts to 153 Players
    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3110095-sportsbook-ag-behind-221-786-payouts-153-players.html
    Warning to you all: Sportsbook.ag is not paying within their 'expected' time-frame of 3 to 5 weeks. 153 players have written SBR complaining on $221,786 in unpaid withdrawals.

    You can read my full report on the SBR newswire.
  • TortugaTortuga Moderator
    edited August 2015
    Just a heads up to the mods that this old thread from Apr 1st is mistakenly displaying "today" as the date.

    It looks like it's displaying corre-- oh. I get it.
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited August 2015
    Anyone have any recent first hand experience with Sportsbook.ag? I'm wondering if they are actually insolvent, not wanting to pay people, or if it is just typical payment processing issues that are causing the backup?
  • ugadawgs7769ugadawgs7769 Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    RightAngle wrote: »
    Anyone have any recent first hand experience with Sportsbook.ag? I'm wondering if they are actually insolvent, not wanting to pay people, or if it is just typical payment processing issues that are causing the backup?

    From what I have seen there are a small portion of payouts actually being sent out. Most of those reporting receiving payouts have been waiting since approximately April/ early May although have seen reports of people waiting longer than that.

    At one point SBR had 150-200 outstanding complaints on not being paid and maybe 10% of those have said they were paid.
  • TortugaTortuga Moderator
    edited August 2015
    5Dimes Sportsbook Wagering Suspended
    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3128089-5dimes-sportsbook-wagering-suspended.html
    Just logged in to my account and was met with the following message.

    Sportsbook Wagering Suspended

    Sportsbook wagering has been suspended. Please contact customer service for more information.


    Is this just me? If so, why would this happen?

    Last night I had some success at a new casino game called All or Nothing Solitaire. Earlier today (when I had access to my account) this game was shut down but other casino games worked. I am worried there there was some problem with this game and I will not receive my winnings. Any advice?
  • Walt's WharfWalt's Wharf Member
    edited August 2015
    Surely Tony will improve his record to 1407-0 with 1407 knockouts via live chat when this eventually gets "resolved."
  • winner_13winner_13 Senior Member
    edited August 2015
    RightAngle wrote: »
    Anyone have any recent first hand experience with Sportsbook.ag? I'm wondering if they are actually insolvent, not wanting to pay people, or if it is just typical payment processing issues that are causing the backup?

    I requested a payout on April 25. Received it the last week of June.
    The cheque came, delivered FEDEX or UPS express I believe. It cleared.
    I am in Canada and it was from a Canadian bank.
  • TortugaTortuga Moderator
    edited August 2015
    winner_13 wrote: »
    I requested a payout on April 25. Received it the last week of June.
    The cheque came, delivered FEDEX or UPS express I believe. It cleared.
    I am in Canada and it was from a Canadian bank.

    It's good to hear it came in, but the process should be much smoother. It's hard to have any confidence in your money there will all of this going on.
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited August 2015
    Sportsbook.ag has always been really slow, and has treated some pro action unjustly in the past, but that is much different than outright stiffing or being insolvent. I'm guessing there are some people who still find it +EV to play there.
  • GoatsGoats Head Moderator
    edited August 2015
    RightAngle wrote: »
    Sportsbook.ag has always been really slow, and has treated some pro action unjustly in the past, but that is much different than outright stiffing or being insolvent. I'm guessing there are some people who still find it +EV to play there.

    Good summation IMO.
  • Walt's WharfWalt's Wharf Member
    edited August 2015
    If you type "online sportsbook" into Google, Sportsbook.ag is the #2 site to appear. Compared to other online books, they could have 25 times as many customers for all we know. If there's a substantial number of people wanting to deposit or withdraw in a given time, it goes without saying that it's a processing nightmare on their end given the betting climate in the United States.

    They should still hold true to their posted estimated payout times, but slow payouts doesn't always mean they have no intention of paying out.
  • TortugaTortuga Moderator
    edited August 2015
    If you type "online sportsbook" into Google, Sportsbook.ag is the #2 site to appear. Compared to other online books, they could have 25 times as many customers for all we know. If there's a substantial number of people wanting to deposit or withdraw in a given time, it goes without saying that it's a processing nightmare on their end given the betting climate in the United States.

    They should still hold true to their posted estimated payout times, but slow payouts doesn't always mean they have no intention of paying out.

    I think they could benefit from being more clear and realistic with the process.
  • Walt's WharfWalt's Wharf Member
    edited August 2015
    Sportsbook had 153 past due payouts according to the SBR thread, which seems like a very high number. But it would be interesting to know how many overall players have requested payouts in the last six months or so. If 10,000 people requested payouts and only 153 have not been paid within the stated time frame, then roughly 1% of people are experiencing problems. If that's the case, I'd say Sportsbook has done a decent job given the current legal climate in the U.S.

    I know people who have part-time jobs whose work paychecks don't arrive on time 99 percent of the time!
  • TortugaTortuga Moderator
    edited August 2015
    Update: Fezzik Bet Like a Pro tracking by ComptrBob
    http://pregame.com/pregame-forums/f/14/p/1276577/2405032.aspx#2405032
    8/11/15 Tuesday (8/10/15 5:29pm) Sky +3 [63-84] WNBA 3 L -3.3

    8/11/15 Tuesday (8/11/15 9:27am) Brewers +126 [3-6] MLB 1 L -1

    8/11/15 Tuesday (8/11/15 9:28am) Brewers F5 +0.5 -120 [1-6] MLB 1 L -1.2

    8/11/15 Tuesday (8/11/15 10:19am) Sparks -12 [77-85] WNBA 2 L -2.2

    8/11/15 Tuesday (8/11/15 12:24pm) Pitt UNDER 24.5 -115 [7+19+1] Prop R+H+E MLB 1 L -1.15

    8/11/15 Tuesday (8/11/15 12:24pm) NYY UNDER 24 -115 [9+22+0] Prop R+H+E MLB 1 L -1.15

    YTD: 19.16u

    Something to note: Fezzik inherited +26.01u record pre-tracking. So with this update, he's at -6.85u with ComptrBob tracking.
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