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Question about a wager

cpech56cpech56 Senior Member
edited August 2014 in Sports Betting
Giants have won an appeal and the game against Chicago will resume tomorrow night. How should my $250 ML play on SF last night should've been graded?

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  • cpech56cpech56 Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    Safe to assume a loss since the Home team was winning after 4.5 innings?
  • themartythemarty Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    I was on SF ML too. 5dimes still has it graded as a loss on my ledger. I don't expect that to change.
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    Sorry CP............ loss.
  • cpech56cpech56 Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    Ron, You ready to talk about that Minnesota/Iowa wager yet :)
  • RonbetsRonbets Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    LOL, I'm trying to keep up with ND, OSU and Kent. I can wait until Nov though.
  • TommyLTommyL Super Moderator
    edited August 2014
    cpech56 wrote: »
    Safe to assume a loss since the Home team was winning after 4.5 innings?

    Definitely a loss...At this point though, I think you'll have to play the Cubs when they put it back on the board again tomorrow (assuming that you can find it somewhere). Either you'll win some money back, or you'll have a "bad beat" story to post for the ages, losing both sides of an MLB game while playing each team on the moneyline.
  • SnakeheadSnakehead Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    I agree that it should be a loss.

    I had a different situation with a 'play' website, although I am pretty sure they also accept money for real bets. Here is their rule:

    14) Baseball scores for purposes of grading moneyline plays are final after 5 innings of play. Baseball scores for purposes of grading totals plays and runline plays are official after 9 innings of play. If a baseball game is suspended or stopped, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning. Suspended games do not carry over to the following day or a future date.

    They graded the game for all ML bets as a PUSH since they say that the game did not go a full 5 innings. I say if the game is official, then the game went a 'full/officlal' 5 innings, the same as if the home team is ahead after the top of the 9th, it's considered to have gone 9 full innings. I also argue that the ML bet is a "Will the Cubs win" bet. If the Cubs get a 'W', then the bet wins.

    Are there any books out there, online or real, that would grade it that way, other than this amateur website? FYI, I'm not talking about 1st Half bets, because I know those would be pushes.
  • BigFishBigFish Member
    edited August 2014
    Snakehead wrote: »
    I agree that it should be a loss.

    I had a different situation with a 'play' website, although I am pretty sure they also accept money for real bets. Here is their rule:

    14) Baseball scores for purposes of grading moneyline plays are final after 5 innings of play. Baseball scores for purposes of grading totals plays and runline plays are official after 9 innings of play. If a baseball game is suspended or stopped, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning. Suspended games do not carry over to the following day or a future date.

    They graded the game for all ML bets as a PUSH since they say that the game did not go a full 5 innings. I say if the game is official, then the game went a 'full/officlal' 5 innings, the same as if the home team is ahead after the top of the 9th, it's considered to have gone 9 full innings. I also argue that the ML bet is a "Will the Cubs win" bet. If the Cubs get a 'W', then the bet wins.

    Are there any books out there, online or real, that would grade it that way, other than this amateur website? FYI, I'm not talking about 1st Half bets, because I know those would be pushes.

    Guys, this is being resumed today. How should this affect wagers made on the game?
  • lakemonsterlakemonster Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    call tony and ask him for a refund - I'm sure he will comply with your request :wonder:
  • TommyLTommyL Super Moderator
    edited August 2014
    BigFish wrote: »
    Guys, this is being resumed today. How should this affect wagers made on the game?

    The wagers likely would have been graded based on the final result of the game the other day. Check your sportsbook's rules to be sure, but in 99.99% of cases, the fact that the protest worked will be meaningless from a betting standpoint.
  • BigFishBigFish Member
    edited August 2014
    TommyL wrote: »
    The wagers likely would have been graded based on the final result of the game the other day. Check your sportsbook's rules to be sure, but in 99.99% of cases, the fact that the protest worked will be meaningless from a betting standpoint.

    I've since looked into it on several books' rules, and TommyL appears to be 100% correct.
  • cpech56cpech56 Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    BigFish wrote: »
    I've since looked into it on several books' rules, and TommyL appears to be 100% correct.

    Postseason wagers are a different story but during the regular season the wager is graded after 4.5 innings if the home team is winning and it only counts on the day the game began.
  • SnakeheadSnakehead Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    cpech56 wrote: »
    Postseason wagers are a different story but during the regular season the wager is graded after 4.5 innings if the home team is winning and it only counts on the day the game began.
    Well that's how I think all sites should handle it. I play on a website that doesn't call them bets, but "plays" so you can make "sports plays" on this site. Most people use 'play' money, but you can deposit money and use it as a betting site also.

    Here is the 1st letter I emailed:

    Here is your rule: 14) Baseball scores for purposes of grading moneyline plays are final after 5 innings of play. Baseball scores for purposes of grading totals plays and runline plays are official after 9 innings of play. If a baseball game is suspended or stopped, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning. Suspended games do not carry over to the following day or a future date.

    NOW, if you determine that the CUBS game should be a push because 5 FULL innings were not played (your rule does not say "FULL"), then by the same SKEWED LOGIC, ALL TOTALS & RUNLINE PLAYS that do not have the home team bat in the ninth because they are leading, should be graded as a PUSH also, BASED ON RULE 14. The game was official, and the home team does not need to bat in the bottom of the 5th to be an official 5 INNING game. This was NOT a totals, runline, or 1st Half play I made.

    And here is their reply:

    Mark replied:
    Hello.
    It does say "after 5 innings of play." And 5 innings were not played. This is different than the 9th inning scenario you bring up because if the home team is ahead after the top of the 9th, then it is considered done. These are the same rules you agreed to when you originally signed up. Nothing in those regards has changed.

    I had the CUBS Moneyline and they graded it as a push.
  • BetThemDogsBetThemDogs Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    Snakehead wrote: »
    Well that's how I think all sites should handle it. I play on a website that doesn't call them bets, but "plays" so you can make "sports plays" on this site. Most people use 'play' money, but you can deposit money and use it as a betting site also.

    Here is the 1st letter I emailed:

    Here is your rule: 14) Baseball scores for purposes of grading moneyline plays are final after 5 innings of play. Baseball scores for purposes of grading totals plays and runline plays are official after 9 innings of play. If a baseball game is suspended or stopped, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning. Suspended games do not carry over to the following day or a future date.

    NOW, if you determine that the CUBS game should be a push because 5 FULL innings were not played (your rule does not say "FULL"), then by the same SKEWED LOGIC, ALL TOTALS & RUNLINE PLAYS that do not have the home team bat in the ninth because they are leading, should be graded as a PUSH also, BASED ON RULE 14. The game was official, and the home team does not need to bat in the bottom of the 5th to be an official 5 INNING game. This was NOT a totals, runline, or 1st Half play I made.

    And here is their reply:

    Mark replied:
    Hello.
    It does say "after 5 innings of play." And 5 innings were not played. This is different than the 9th inning scenario you bring up because if the home team is ahead after the top of the 9th, then it is considered done. These are the same rules you agreed to when you originally signed up. Nothing in those regards has changed.

    I had the CUBS Moneyline and they graded it as a push.

    I wouldn't be betting there again-- I'd lay 3/1 they graded the Giants side as a loss.
  • groovinmahoovingroovinmahoovin Senior Member
    edited August 2014
    The rule at Snakehead's book is highly unusual. I've played at a bunch of books over the years and I think every single one specifies that 4.5 innings is an official game if the home team is ahead, and it's no different than the 8.5 inning scenario because the game is then "done." This game would also be done if it weren't for the protest, but protests aren't recognized for gambling purposes. This Mark guy is either clueless or a scammer.

    I would show him the TEX/NYY game from last month that was called official after 4.5 innings. I forget the date but Darvish started.
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