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The Stoffo System

Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
edited April 2018 in Sports Betting
#1 Eliminate any underdog that is priced higher than +150 "Those are No Plays"

#2 Eliminate any underdog that has lost 3 or more games straight.

#3 Eliminate any underdog that is facing a team that has won 3 or more straight.

#4 Eliminate any underdog that is facing a starting pitcher ranked 20th or better according to Jeff Sagarin's adjusted ERAs (www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarins.htm)
#5 Play on every underdog that hasn't been eliminated by rules 1-4 above.

For Totals:

If both teams have starting pitchers ranked 20th or better in the Sagarin ratings play "Under"
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  • homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    Dang, I forgot all about the misery and effort that thing cost me

    Underdog Thread from years past
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    Check out the thread Bucky Try not to see the E he has total's from the last 5 years.
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    OT--some other notes I had on the Stoffo System:

    Pitcher Specifics:

    1) Both starting pitchers must have made at least 3 starts. This is why the true system does not start until about the 15th game (or during the 3rd week) of the season.
    2) If a pitcher is coming off the DL, back from the minors, or off a trip to the bullpen, he must make at least 1 restart to requalify
    3) As long as a pitcher meets the 3 start, and other requirements, they qualify regardless of the number of innings pitched. these pitchers can be in either the "A", "B", or "C" list on the Sagarin daily ratings

    PS OT- I have always used the A-B and C Sagarin groups, and the results I posted earlier, were based upon those criteria. Also, after the All-Star break, the system goes on hiatus with the rest of MLB and pitchers must make 1 start before the system starts up again
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    OT--one other note: the System ends after the majority of the teams have played 145 games, basically eliminating the last 3 weeks of the season.
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    OT--looking at some of my old Stoffo notes, I found this info regarding the 1st 5 innings:

    I find it interesting that playing the Stoffo unders for the first 5 innings would be disastrous compared to the full-game unders. I say that because the Stoffo unders are predicated on good starting pitching, and it seems somewhat logical to me that one of the concerns would be the bullpens giving up late inning runs when those "good" starters may have been removed from the game. Anyway, based upon lines from Pinny at the time of post, playing the Stoffo unders for the 1st 5 innings would be YTD: 63-57-5, -.69 units. As compared to the fullgame unders wich are: 77-45-3, +29.24 units.

    OT--this was posted at Sports Forum World (the old SFW) on 8/15/10. I realize that this was a small sample based on results only from April to Aug 15th, 2010
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    OT--looking at some of my old Stoffo notes, I found this info regarding the 1st 5 innings:

    I find it interesting that playing the Stoffo unders for the first 5 innings would be disastrous compared to the full-game unders. I say that because the Stoffo unders are predicated on good starting pitching, and it seems somewhat logical to me that one of the concerns would be the bullpens giving up late inning runs when those "good" starters may have been removed from the game. Anyway, based upon lines from Pinny at the time of post, playing the Stoffo unders for the 1st 5 innings would be YTD: 63-57-5, -.69 units. As compared to the fullgame unders wich are: 77-45-3, +29.24 units.

    OT--this was posted at Sports Forum World (the old SFW) on 8/15/10. I realize that this was a small sample based on results only from April to Aug 15th, 2010

    Thank you for the reminders I will save this thread and as I was reading them it was coming back to me. What I find amazing is the comparison between the 1st 5 and the full game. I understand the sample size is small but I'm thinking of staying with the full game only and see how it goes. Thank you for your time and it's always a pleasure to talk to you. Stay healthy, be safe and make money, come on how hard is that. Thanks again.
  • beefcakebeefcake Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    Dang, I forgot all about the misery and effort that thing cost me

    Underdog Thread from years past

    You and me both brother...
  • homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    it was profitable the first two years we did it, but finished down the next and the workload is PIA. and if it were truly successful, everyone would be doing effectively rendering it worthless
  • tribecalledjefftribecalledjeff Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    if it were truly successful, everyone would be doing effectively rendering it worthless

    You mean like auto-playing unders in cold weather?
  • homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    You mean like auto-playing unders in cold weather?


    SU: 38-38 (0.00, 50.0%) avg line: -105.7 / -105.7 on / against: -$140 / -$140 ROI: -1.5% / -1.5%
    RL: 38-38 (0.00, 50.0%) avg line: -106.4 / -106.4 on / against: -$207 / -$207 ROI: -2.1% / -2.1%
    OU: 30-44-2 (-0.41, 40.5%) avg total: 7.8 over / under: -$1,780 / +$1,030 ROI: -21.6% / +12.1%
  • tribecalledjefftribecalledjeff Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    SU: 38-38 (0.00, 50.0%) avg line: -105.7 / -105.7 on / against: -$140 / -$140 ROI: -1.5% / -1.5%
    RL: 38-38 (0.00, 50.0%) avg line: -106.4 / -106.4 on / against: -$207 / -$207 ROI: -2.1% / -2.1%
    OU: 30-44-2 (-0.41, 40.5%) avg total: 7.8 over / under: -$1,780 / +$1,030 ROI: -21.6% / +12.1%

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  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    Homer,

    I understand the point you're trying to make, but your numbers are not statistically significant. What if 20% of those games played in cold weather, were played by teams whose best batters we're injured at the time? Or maybe that half of those cold-weather games were played by 5 of the most offensively challenged teams the league had last year.
  • homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
    edited April 2013

    i'll 5Dimes and Heritage know.
  • homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    edit that dup out.
  • homerplayerhomerplayer Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    Obi One wrote: »
    Homer,

    I understand the point you're trying to make, but your numbers are not statistically significant. What if 20% of those games played in cold weather, were played by teams whose best batters we're injured at the time? Or maybe that half of those cold-weather games were played by 5 of the most offensively challenged teams the league had last year.

    Hey Obie,

    Understand what you are saying sir. Still subscribe to EMT. So 99.89% or so of knowable information is known and baked into the line. Made this point in the other thread, there is most certainly a floor where openers and Totals are concerned. You will never, ever, ever, ever, never see an opener in the AL at 6.5 or lower based on the temp. So until I stop beating the closer by 20 cents or a half run (which i think happened 3 or 4 times already) then I will pursue. We are talking nearly 600 games since 2000 and yet the significance is still in question?

    My average line this season is -102.something.

    It does not get more basic than winning percentage >52.5 and avg price < 103.

    In the end the back and forth will never end. But here is a question, not directed at you Obi, that will go unanswered....

    Did I win?

    I appreciate your input Obi.
  • BennyProfaneBennyProfane Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    Has anyone (possibly Bucky Badger) kept up with how Stoffo unders have been doing?
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    Benny--good to hear from you.

    The Stoffo unders have been pretty stagnant the past 3 years 2017 +.1 units, 2016 +4.7 units and 2015 +3.7 units.. I don't start tracking the system until the starting pitchers have 3 starts for the current year ( this was one of the original guidelines). If you applied the Stoffo system so far YTD using last year's pitching stats it would sit at 23-17-2 +4.3 units. Last year the Stoffo sides had a banner year with +49.5 units. but 2016 was +4.7 units and 2015 +3.2 units. Also, it should be noted that the aforementioned annual statistics are based on the most favorable lines I had available (obviously, because that's what I would play them at) and would not as accurately reflect totals based on closing, widely-available lines
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    Hey Bucky good to see ya. It seems maybe just looking at sides this year after three pitching starts. I can't remember is the 3 pitching starts required to play sides. Going to track sides this week. We had nice few year run if I remember correctly on the total's. We got out in plenty of time.
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    Hey Bucky good to see ya. It seems maybe just looking at sides this year after three pitching starts. I can't remember is the 3 pitching starts required to play sides. Going to track sides this week. We had nice few year run if I remember correctly on the total's. We got out in plenty of time.
    Yes OT, following the "true" Stoffo parameters, both starting pitchers need to have at least 3 starts to qualify.
  • munson15munson15 Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    Old-Timer wrote: »
    #1 Eliminate any underdog that is priced higher than +150 "Those are No Plays"

    #2 Eliminate any underdog that has lost 3 or more games straight.

    #3 Eliminate any underdog that is facing a team that has won 3 or more straight.

    #4 Eliminate any underdog that is facing a starting pitcher ranked 20th or better according to Jeff Sagarin's adjusted ERAs (www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarins.htm)
    #5 Play on every underdog that hasn't been eliminated by rules 1-4 above.

    For Totals:

    If both teams have starting pitchers ranked 20th or better in the Sagarin ratings play "Under"

    can't find pitcher rating...hope you are well, OT
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    munson15 wrote: »
    can't find pitcher rating...hope you are well, OT

    go to USA today, or easier yet just google Sagarin
  • kdogkdog Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    Benny--good to hear from you.

    The Stoffo unders have been pretty stagnant the past 3 years 2017 +.1 units, 2016 +4.7 units and 2015 +3.7 units.. I don't start tracking the system until the starting pitchers have 3 starts for the current year ( this was one of the original guidelines). If you applied the Stoffo system so far YTD using last year's pitching stats it would sit at 23-17-2 +4.3 units. Last year the Stoffo sides had a banner year with +49.5 units. but 2016 was +4.7 units and 2015 +3.2 units. Also, it should be noted that the aforementioned annual statistics are based on the most favorable lines I had available (obviously, because that's what I would play them at) and would not as accurately reflect totals based on closing, widely-available lines

    Just to show what a difference that makes, tracking these at 5Dimes closers produced -11.51 units for 2017 and -8.97 for 2016. I can't find my 2015 but I'm sure everyone gets the idea. Tip...if you are going to play the totals the opener is usually the best number you will see.
  • bluejakebluejake Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    OT, glad to see everything up and running for you. It is your season, my Bucs are off to a hot start. Going in for cataract surgery hope that helps me pick winners or watch my Bucs & Pens more clearly. May you have a great season and enjoy it.
  • Old-TimerOld-Timer Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    bluejake wrote: »
    OT, glad to see everything up and running for you. It is your season, my Bucs are off to a hot start. Going in for cataract surgery hope that helps me pick winners or watch my Bucs & Pens more clearly. May you have a great season and enjoy it.

    Hey Jake good hearing from you. I had cataract surgery a little over a year ago. Nothing to it brother. Funny I’m in a small pool where you draft three teams and most wins takes it down. I had first pick took the Astros and then had to wait for the #18 pick and you know who I picked. All in the Family PITTSBURGH PIRATES!!! Had them today also at +145. Sleeper team this year. Maybe not a playoff team but they’ll keep you interested and you never know. Take care of yourself one of the goodguys.
  • munson15munson15 Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    bumpo wrote: »

    Jake Junis #1 in the AL and Jameson Taillon #1 in the NL...must be early...
  • munson15munson15 Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    first stoffo play should be PHI today...
  • bumpobumpo Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    munson15 wrote: »
    Jake Junis #1 in the AL and Jameson Taillon #1 in the NL...must be early...

    Hope not. Taillon is my boy.
  • munson15munson15 Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    bumpo wrote: »
    Hope not. Taillon is my boy.

    he's a great story, and they could use one there...
  • bumpobumpo Senior Member
    edited April 2018
    munson15 wrote: »
    first stoffo play should be PHI today...

    not sure if it's a stoffo rule, but i've never done well with inter-league stoffos.
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