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RJ Bell doesn't get what 100% transparency is

RightAngleRightAngle Admin
edited December 2013 in Sports Betting
RJ Bell: "The fact that Pregame.com has 100% transparency is beyond debate."

http://pregame.com/pregame-forums/f/14/p/682472/1876130.aspx#1876130

What he fails to mention is that long term records are not displayed for any Pregame "Pro" and determining a long term record using their system would literally take someone days.
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  • JalapanoseJalapanose Banned
    edited August 2013
    RJ is an absolute clown. So disgusting that he's given such a wide platform.
  • duritodurito Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    lol, looks like you've found some common ground with groovin
  • TwoninerTwoniner Member
    edited August 2013
    Guys guys guys. RJ has explained that the buying public just wouldn't be impressed by the 55-57%% type winrates of all the pros!
  • turksureturksure Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    They kicked off Tony George from selling football packages after his claims of a 60% long term record in Football that was shot down by several posters. Yes, it's a joke over there.
  • chuckhchuckh Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    Twoniner wrote: »
    Guys guys guys. RJ has explained that the buying public just wouldn't be impressed by the 55-57%% type winrates of all the pros!
    Got a laugh out of this Twoniner!
  • footballpixfootballpix Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    I had the unfortunate displeasure of meeting him here in LV. His office is in a shit part of town and his "staff" are clowns. Real small operation and very unprofessional.
  • ChemicalATChemicalAT Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    I've never seen anything so pathetic in my life as I did this past weekend at the LVH when idiot seminar attendees were actually requesting to take pics with Fezzik. I had to restrain myself from saying something to Anthony Curtis, who last year claimed I was simply a disgruntled customer after I warned everyone on the LVA boards that Fezzik would bury them (which he proceeded to do) if they continued to follow his plays. (Meanwhile, I provided a small sample size of college winners to that board). RJ Bell and Fezzik and the gypsy known as Vegas Runner have conned an unsuspecting and unknowing media into believing that they are somehow credible to. It's pathetic. Sadly, many people will continue to learn the hard way.
  • DelCoTrashDelCoTrash Junior Member
    edited August 2013
    I'm a novice and it took me less than half a basketball season to figure out who's blowing smoke and who's providing some unique insight. If I were you I wouldn't worry about those shops, it's just an entirely different, less sophisticated market. Their customers are wearing their state school's football jersey to the window on Saturday. When I go to Del Frisco's I don't need to tell them their steaks are better than Applebys
  • shishshish Junior Member
    edited August 2013
    I made the mistake of following Fezzik on LVAsports last year. After seeing him beat the closing line more times than not in the preseason I felt he knew what he was doing. Boy was I wrong. You can only market yourself as B2B Hilton champ for so long and I bought into it. Great learning experience though (even though it cost me $$$)
  • BetDocBetDoc Member
    edited August 2013
    I do not see the motivation for starting this thread which evolved into another anti-LVA/Fezzik thread. If one cannot figure out rather quickly who the shotty touts are, one should not be gambling.

    There seems to be other agenda s here!
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited August 2013
    I'd agree with you somewhat, and there are a lot of sites out doing similar and worse things than Pregame, but the difference is they aren't out there actively defending their misrepresentation of records. He just made that comment yesterday, it wasn't dug up from the past.
  • JalapanoseJalapanose Banned
    edited August 2013
    You can never have enough anti-Fezzik/anti-RJ the Clown/anti-Johnny F'in Detroit threads.
  • OrangelinesOrangelines Junior Member
    edited August 2013
    Novice here. Can't have enough anti Fezzik/RJ threads. Thanks for educating me fellas. RJ started a thread titled "Difference between Scammers, Touts, and Handicappers" praising Pregame's transparency. I tried to post and state exactly what RightAngle says in the first post of this thread, that you can't find the records of any of his cappers without having to type a "captcha" for every single day you want to review. My post never got approved for his thread. Really bothers me that he uses his presence on ESPN as proof of credibility. Also, it bothers me that Cowherd and ESPN even have him on their shows. I'm probably repeating past sentiments on this forum, but I have been tailing Fez for a while and needed to see these threads to get over him. I'm going to try to learn as much as I can to do this on my own.
  • ChemicalATChemicalAT Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    Until and unless people wake up to the scam that Pregame and Fezzik are, then these types of threads are very beneficial to hopefully open eyes and save people who may not know about this their hard-earned money and a lot of grief. There's a reason these guys are selling their picks. Edward/RAS is/are the only honest and WINNING service that I've ever heard of. I don't pay extremely close attention to services, so take that for what it's worth.

    Even if it was beating a dead horse, if it saves somebody their money and the fun experience of being scammed, then it's worth it.
  • eug44eug44 Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    this is pretty pathetic, cant believe this moron sent Hook $500.

    http://www.wagerminds.com/blog/touts/pregame-customer-pregame-pro-mike-hook-lost-9270-and-hasnt-paid-me-back-7694/
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    Thanks for the article Eug,
    Most important part of this article:

    "We’ve looked at a lot of sports betting accounts. And we’ve reviewed a lot of touts and the picks they sell. Based on our experience, there’s a rather obvious conclusion here: the person putting the bets in on this account is not at all very ‘sharp.’ And he may well have a gambling problem.

    The volume of bets; the type of bets; the rapidly increasing bet size to chase losses. Those are all worrisome signs, frankly. And no ‘sharp’ player, who has recently asked a virtual stranger to set up an online betting account for him, makes hundreds of plays across eight different sports over a ten week period.

    Another remarkable part of this story: Mike Hook had been one of the better performing Pregame “Pros” according to an independent analysis of 33 Pregame pick-sellers posted at SportsBook Review.

    Now, Mike Hook is gone from Pregame. And while Hook claims his side of this story hasn’t been told, he did not respond to our request for an interview."

    Can somebody get an interview with RJ Bell to see what he has to say about the level of incompetence at Pregame?
  • JalapanoseJalapanose Banned
    edited August 2013
    "Can somebody get an interview with RJ Bell to see what he has to say about the level of incompetence at Pregame?"

    RJ the Clown - "bro, we are on espn radio all of the time and quoted as an expert in the industry. Don't hate us because we rule."

    Andy fezzik - "pregame is a fantastic multi-million dollar substantial business. Wanna see the timestamps from big brother's phone?"
  • eug44eug44 Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    lol....honestly this is comical. i'll sell you picks and I want you set-up an account with a local for me so if things go sour I can free roll you - does this work for you sir? I owe you 10 dimes but please send me 500 bucks and I'll mail you golf clubs in two weeks. I mean is this real???
  • shishshish Junior Member
    edited August 2013
    RJ and Wagerminds currently going at it on Twitter... this is great.
  • Obi OneObi One Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    If Pregame's Pro's were really pro's, they'd be moving numbers like RAS..... None of that is happening, which means not even the bookies take them seriously.

    I'd call em Pro's nonetheless.....as in: Professional Con Men
  • themartythemarty Senior Member
    edited August 2013
    'Don't hedge, get the edge' I need to wear a diaper whenever I listen to those Fezzik Focus casts.
  • BigKahunaBigKahuna Banned
    edited September 2013
    I thought this guy was only on the Cowherd show, but now he is on other shows throughout ESPN and is on Grantland as well.
    Has ESPN done their background check on this guy or are they just leaping all in with this guy ?
  • MidwestGuy33MidwestGuy33 Member
    edited September 2013
    Novice here as well. I noticed over there the "pros" have their last 100 picks or so archived to be seen. I guess if they are touting "100% transparency" shouldn't every pick those guys make be archived?
  • SquigglySquiggly Senior Member
    edited September 2013
    BetDoc wrote: »
    I do not see the motivation for starting this thread which evolved into another anti-LVA/Fezzik thread. If one cannot figure out rather quickly who the shotty touts are, one should not be gambling.

    There seems to be other agenda s here!

    You are using the exact same term RJ uses - "agendas" - when someone attempts to post the verified record of the coinflipper touts over there.

    Ed is to be commended for taking a stand and pointing out the truth about the way records are (not) available at pregame.

    There is an agenda here - clarity and honesty.


    " If one cannot figure out rather quickly who the shotty touts are, one should not be gambling."
    One figures things out with information, which is being provided herein.

    Hard to understand why anyone would object to the sharing of accurate information.

    "There seems to be other agenda s here!"
    Indeed.
  • BetDocBetDoc Member
    edited September 2013
    Squiggly,

    Speaking of agendas, not sure why you jumped down my throat. (btw - RJB does not have a trademark on the word "agenda")

    I was trying to be polite (to Ed) in my post. But since you have a head of steam my point was that the owner (Ed) of another more successful tout service and more informative forum should not have to be critical of the competition. Besides, some of us are do not see the need to see the negative RJB/Fez posts - for that we can always visit RTP! Furthermore, if one wants to see that Pregame lacks accuracy and transparency, one should visit Pregame on their own.

    Again, my post was added because it was surprising to see Ed start a thread with a subject that has been beaten to death already.

    Have a nice day.

    Doc
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited September 2013
    BetDoc wrote: »
    a subject that has been beaten to death already

    In some smaller circles this is true, but those aren't the circles being targeted. The guys at RTP aren't going to buy picks at Pregame. However, as it relates to EPSN and other various media outlets, it is still a very live issue.
  • BetDocBetDoc Member
    edited September 2013
    Like I said originally, agenda!
  • RightAngleRightAngle Admin
    edited September 2013
    BetDoc wrote: »
    Like I said originally, agenda!

    Of course there is an agenda, but that doesn't make it any less true.
  • lakemonsterlakemonster Senior Member
    edited September 2013
    ESPN actually owns a % of Pregame. Thats why pregame is all over ESPN Radio, espn.com, & Grantland.

    I was told this straight from one of the original owners of Pregame
  • BookbrakerBookbraker Senior Member
    edited September 2013
    lakemonster wrote: »
    ESPN actually owns a % of Pregame. Thats why pregame is all over ESPN Radio, espn.com, & Grantland.

    I was told this straight from one of the original owners of Pregame

    Interesting. I was in the middle of nowhere and got NBC radio and that d-bag RJ Bell was on there saturday. Ras is right, some people assume if you are on espn then you are legit. I am sure most listeners were unaware of RJ which helps elevate this scumbag.
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